Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

... then you have an problem because 3682 or 3632 are impossible .... but maybe we find an user with an better picture of the a/c and he is able to make an scan of the pic (not like the other with the picture from W.Nr.8149 ;-)) ...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

If you say so, I believe you. But, can YOU try to read, please.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Euuuh, No!... Ups, Sorry Neil!
Regards, Franck.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

..extract from a 10 Mb TIFF scan. There's a rear 3/4 view but just as indistinct. Winter in front of Gabler's 'Red 8'..

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/p...ablersRed8.jpg

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

... yes, an 3 and an 6 ... I see not more ...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Sorry Neil, the picture extends to the right - at least the copy in line at Marc's - and a 2 is clearly visible.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Franck

..here's the rear side view quite large - after that the photo becomes too pixelated. Only the '3' and the '6' are clear enough to actually read - anything else is guess work IMHO

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/p...d8siderear.jpg

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Not same picture ...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Indeed, not the same picture, but the same machine..

On another note, anybody got ideas as to where and which unit the WNF built Bf 109 G-10 belonged to?. Given its white outlined numerals, I suggest a NAGr, without being sure of it...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Thanks for your inputs
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Marc,

I believe that the photo you attached of an Fw190 and Bf109G-10 13+ - Black was taken at Neubiberg. I’m going out on a limb here, but my research suggests that 13+ - was one of two Erla-built Bf109G-10s last serving with JGr.300 and surrendered there.

The other example is 6+ - Yellow (outlined in black), which clearly sports that unit’s blue/white/blue RV bands and short black II.Gruppe bar. In the photos I have of 10+ - Black, its black II.Gruppe bar is apparent, while its blue/white/blue RV bands are indistinct. I chalk this up to the fact that the blue/white/blue RV bands were not particularly high contrast to begin with, and that by the time the photo was taken in 1946, the aircraft has sat outside for over one year.

JGr.300 or not, they are almost certainly not from II./JG52. Without exception, II./JG52 Bf109s featured small black, white or yellow numerals and short II.Gruppe bars.

Steve Sheflin

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Steve,

You're breaking new ground here! Until now, I had as a reference Anders Hjørtsberg's statement this pic was taken at Kassel-Waldau, unit unknown. The background barracks do look familiar with other Neubiberg pics indeed.

As for the plane itself, it has the characteristic low-spine camouflage line of either Erla or WNF produced Bf 109 G-10's. The plain underwing Balkenkreuz does point though to either an WNF or a Mtt built machine. Lots of uncertainties here, also compounded by the tactical markings as well: the low contrast white outlined "13" could be consistent with a NAG machine too, and we're deprived on this shot from any clear indication what the fuselage colors were behind the fuselage Balkenkreuz.... A really tantalizing plane indeed.

Thanks so much for your input, hoping that further details will emerge so we can pinpoint that particular G-10!

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Marc,

???

Of course the same machine, but not the same picture, where we cannot see the interesting part ... What an evidence!

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks to David Litton, over on facebook.com, We have again an interesting - for me - new case:

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/15281954402/

Could "Schwarze 2" be an elusive Erla built Bf 109 K-4 ? Which possible unit ?

Thanks in advance!
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Marc, Link doesn't work

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Correct, Franck: in the mean tim, and thanks to a lead from Anders, I tracked back the culprit: Fw. Willy Rühl, 14./JG 300 ;-)

Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. unknown "Schwarze 2", Lt. Willy Rühl, 14./JG 300, Reinsdorf, early March 1945. Source: Lorant et Goyat 2005, p. 212.
www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/11465698265

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Gang,

Hi there Gang,

This one is pretty baffling for me:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Deut-Jagdflug...item4d2465e7e1

A very interesting III./JG 77 machine, which at first sight I would have passed as an early Bf 109 G....But beware! Erla Haube and late III./JG 77 Wolf emblem... Seems thus to be an Erla built G-6/AS or G-14/AS, IMHO. Any ideas as to when and where (Wien-Seyring, August 1944 (?).

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

To #736

Hello Marc,

no K-4, but rather a regular B f109 F. You can see the middle part of the three-piece canopy with a narrow framing and also the slim and tall antenna-mast on top of the fuselage. No trace of the FuG 16 ZY wip-antenna under the wing. Using a little photoshoping, you may also recognize the old style Balkenkreuz on top of the left wing with a black-colored center.

CRL

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Bf 109 F, yes thats it.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Many thanks Carl and David for bringing me back to reality! Goodbye late war Erla low-vis camouflage, back to basics of 109'ology...

Much appreciated!
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

And now with a real late-war Bf 109:

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/15324578205/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

By courtesy of David Weiss, here are two pics of a very wet Bf 109. IMHO, it seems to be a WNF built Bf 109 G-14/AS. Any ideas about location, date, and if it was attributed to a unit?

Thanks in advance
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Gang,

I just uploaded on my Flickr account 35 pictures of at least four different Bf109G-6, captured by US forces at Pachino-Scordia, Sicily, after 13 July 1943. All were found on the 57FG website (www.57thfigthergroup.org). The 57 Fighter Group claimed six Bf109G-6, refurbished them and used them quite extensively for joy-rides; at least one of them was transformed as a two seater and all were quite heavily used before falling into disrepair. The surviving machines were flown to Foggia-Amendola on 27 October 1943 as the 57FG moved there, and the last one was burnt on purpose on 1 March 1944 as 57FG moved to Naples.

Planes with German identities are:

1. Erla built Bf109G-6 W.Nr. unknown "Gelbe1" (?), 6./JG53, found at Pachino, Sicily, Summer 1943. Source: Collection Bob Hanning, 57thfigthergroup.org.

2. WNF (?) built Bf109G-6/R6 W.Nr. 20 ... "Schwarzer Winkel Kleine 4", Stab JG53, Comiso (?), July 1943. Source: 57thfightergroup.org.
www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/8714214850
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631648713569

3. Mtt-Regensburg built Bf109G-6 W.Nr.18098 "SS+WZ", Pachino, Sicily, Summer 1943. Source: Collection Bob Hanning, 57 FG, 57thfightergroup.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631648713569


Plane with Regia Aeronautica identity:

4. Mtt-Regensburg built Bf 109G-6/R6/Trop W.Nr.18 ... 153°Squadriglia, 3°Gruppo Autonomo, Regia Aeronautica, Pachino-Scordia, Summer 1943. Source: 57thfightergroup.org.
www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/8714214850
www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/15342217035


You can find all images in those two folders:

Pachino-Scordia:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7631648713569/

Foggia-Amendola
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7633516314412/

Check please also the Comiso file, as there might be mistakes as to where which plane was effectively captured. Looking forward for any further details enabling to positively ID all those machines.

Thanks in advance
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Just found two great Bf 109 G-5 pics. Could they be NJGr. 10 machines?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7640123221503/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7640123221503/

Any precision, also regarding the location would be highly appreciated

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Aie Marc,
no access to Flickr from China! Let see from Indonesia next Wednesday ...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thank you my dear,

Yes, True Bf109G-5s.
Roughly and fast guess ... JG3.
After that we have to go around an check for it... as usual.
And Bad-Wörishofen.

This is not a speculation but a start to think about those pictures. Nothing more; just say to force the brains ...

Exceptionnal, indeed.

Regards, Franck.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks Franck!

According to Erich, those are actually 1./JG 300 planes at Bonn-Hangelar, late 1943 or early 1944. He has convincing arguments especially about the spinner lone white ring, this being the 1./JG 300 sign.

Check also the same seller, he has four more 1./JG 300 shots, all very fine crisp.

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hey,

Interesting on many aspects!
1/ What does God think? :)
2/ Erich argument is very interesting concerning "spinner lone white ring".

This is exactly a tip pointed and developed by Bobo months - if not years - ago. Tip I pointed you in your Flickr page during last two months.
here:
http://www.jg300.de/rote-und-gelbe-ziffern.html

So:
1/ do we continue to kowtow?
2/ Do we continue to be insulted?
3/ Do we expect next god's publication and updates?

4/ Or, do we continue to be adult doing a real research, full of questions with few answers, as we started ... years ago.

Personally I chose point 4! But you know it already.
That's the reason you must continue your Flickr page.... No?

Bises, Franck.

PS; I must admit I'm not very diplomat sometimes.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Marc

The links give me a 404. No joy.

D.B.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

No joy too, Marc. :-(

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

... then use the ebay-numbers 390947704962 and 390947708508.

Regards
Rasmussen

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks Jörg. ;-)
The 351192089092 show an other G-5.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Yes indeed Falcon,

... or the same being camouflaged when it is brand new on other photo?

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Franck, we don't know it. ;-)

But we got two photos of each "white 1".

The clean one:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=8350
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=8356 (here in the background)

The one with additional camo:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=8351
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=8352

And the "white 7", a normal G-6? Normal head armour? (with others)...
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=8353
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=8355
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=8354

I have cleaned up all seven photos in the last hours... I hate to spend time for that. But I like clean photos. And this photos are very nice!

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks for your cleaning, David!

I turned my Flickr pics on restricted for the time being, knowing that one very involved author desperately hopes to buy them out... without having to pay horrendous sums.

I will turn them on again after...
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Aye!

Not hidden enough. 206, 113 and 122 Euros ... And two days left! :)

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Below 500 Euro for a Messerschmitt 109 photo is cheap, or not? :-)
Stupid virtual prices, stupid world...
Get a scanner for 50 Euro and make copys...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

.. at least you haven't just spent 1,000 euros on them ! Fortunately for the new owner, he has much more information on their particular significance

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Good news, FalkeEins; hope to see them soon ;-)

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

I pity you!

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Yes, it is what I have say... stupid. The loss of many money brings brain dead?

Btw, Neil... do you got the agreement from the owner to use the photo of the "red 7" on your blog? I got it.
Its most as possible, that you don't know the German Urheberrecht.

And what will I do? Hmm... nothing. I don't want to be on the stupid side of life.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

...just making a point. Perhaps I'll continue to use 'your' images until you take ours down..how about that ?....

..and moderators, please consider removing post 752 and/or the links therein, owner of those images is known and no permission has been granted for their use on the 109 Hangar site