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ouidjat 5th December 2010 13:16

5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Hi there,

A new(for me) eBay page to explore; maybe I have to do it with ebay in french too? I think it's not the same "spirit" than in german eBay... Perhaps I'm wrong, just a personnal feeling.
Anyway as we say in France: "The bottle doesn't matter since we're (down)loaded" (free translation of A. de Musset verses)

1. http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-4-GERMAN-WWI...item2c593cf09f
2. http://cgi.ebay.com/Theo-Nau-WWII-Lu...item564012e64f
3. http://cgi.ebay.com/Theo-Nau-WWII-Lu...item564012e55a
4. http://cgi.ebay.com/PD35-GROUND-CREW...item3f057e3841
5. http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-ME-109-Germ...item27b713d279
6. http://cgi.ebay.com/CAPTURED-GERMAN-...item3f057e837e
7. http://cgi.ebay.com/WW2-German-Luftw...item563466ebc6
8. http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-GERMAN-...item2a0c573c0d

What about the last picture? Any clue, except the dog?

Regards, Franck.

Don Pearson 5th December 2010 14:16

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Morning,

The last one appears to Moelders with 56 victories...

Interesting is the Fw 190S in the back of photo 6.

Don

ouidjat 5th December 2010 15:42

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Hello Don,
Mölders of course...
Not only the Fw190S; but you're right, specially with that white cowling.
Hence any idea where this picture has been taken and those two Bf109s identity?

Franck.

ouidjat 5th December 2010 17:41

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Hi Marc,

I did let the comments for you my friend... I knew they're new pics.
But what about the first one with "61" number on fin... NJG11? Fassberg?
Cheers, Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 5th December 2010 17:47

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Yo Franck,

Thinking it over, I did choose deleting my post for everybody's convenience.

Hope you'll understand.

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 5th December 2010 19:04

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
... My last post doesn't make sense now since you deleted yours.
Good hunt then!

Cheers, Franck.

Harold Lake 5th December 2010 23:14

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
The number 6 photo, with only a tall tail, marked "61" is a Bf 109G-12, DF+CC, in white winter paint. See the old Monogram Close-Up 7, page 24. Caption does not say where the photo was taken.

Hal

ChrisS 6th December 2010 11:42

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Pearson (Post 118421)
Morning,

The last one appears to Moelders with 56 victories...

Don

I agree with Don almost certainly Molders.

ouidjat 6th December 2010 12:39

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Thanks Harold for you comment.

Franck.

ChrisS 6th December 2010 16:38

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
In the book/magazine Warpaint Special this profile was included showing Bf 109G-12 Yellow 81 on the tail, probably an error:

ouidjat 6th December 2010 17:02

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Hi Chris,

Interesting... and start to be complicated if DF+CC is the original Stkz. DF+CC is supposed to be a Bf109G-1(/R2), WNr.14123...
Maybe a scan of Monogram Close-up 7, page 24, would be helpful here.

Cheers, Franck.

ChrisS 6th December 2010 18:42

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
OK I have scanned that page, the picture is not good so the detail is poor. Because of this the Monogram profiler (and the posted Warpaint profile) gave it Yellow 81, in actual fact, it is Yellow or Red 61 with a very curly topped '6' resembling an 8 an understandable with the paucity of image.

Check your emails Franck.

ChrisS 6th December 2010 19:10

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
I've scanned it again in very high res and I am ceratin the picture wasn't taken in the summer of 1944 but was taken at about the same time as our eBay image in May 1945. The same Fw190S is in the background and one can just make out the tail and spinner of the III./JG53 or III./JG53 Bf109 next in line.

S Sheflin 6th December 2010 19:59

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Greetings all,

Perhaps I missed it in previous postings, but Bf109 9+ I to the left of G-12/AS 14123 DF+CC is a K-4. It is identifiable as such by its repositioned “K” DF loop and fuel filler hatch. Also of interest are traces of what appears to be Werknummer numerals in the lower rudder “K” position, and part of a roughly sprayed “8” or “3” on its rear fuselage peeking out between its RV band and Balkankreuz.

Steve Sheflin

ouidjat 6th December 2010 21:26

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Hello,

No Steve, you missed nothing, it's a K-4.
@Chris: Frankly I don't know what to think. I just wonder if the artist did imagine a G-12/AS or not? In the mean time there is that high fin... and that "Stkz" is quite unusual... Thanks anyway.

Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 6th December 2010 22:34

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Steve, you're smack on the money. It's a K-4, probably from III./JG 53 (Black RV).

As to the location of those Bf 109's, it might be Schleissheim: the set of pics on auction do show B-26 Marauders coded K9, 344th BG, 494th Bomb Squadron. This unit was stationned from 15 September 1945 onwards in Schleissheim.

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 7th December 2010 11:20

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Yo Marc,

Better like that!..

Cheers, Franck.

ouidjat 7th December 2010 12:53

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisS (Post 118498)
OK I have scanned that page, the picture is not good so the detail is poor. Because of this the Monogram profiler (and the posted Warpaint profile) gave it Yellow 81, in actual fact, it is Yellow or Red 61 with a very curly topped '6' resembling an 8 an understandable with the paucity of image.

Check your emails Franck.

Hi Chris,

Our friend kemon01 did put one scan on his Flickr photostream. It's dated 6/12 but from Chicago we have it this morning!

Here is the picture. At least we see the first one on foreground!

Regards, Franck.

ChrisS 7th December 2010 15:31

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 118550)
Hi Chris,

Our friend kemon01 did put one scan on his Flickr photostream. It's dated 6/12 but from Chicago we have it this morning!

Here is the picture. At least we see the first one on foreground!

Regards, Franck.

As I said, this picture and the other must have been taken at the same time. You can see the open canopy of the Fw190S.

ouidjat 7th December 2010 17:56

Re: 5/12 - Bf109s on eBay (2)
 
Hi ChrisS,

"6/12" does concern the day Kemon01 did put the scan on his stream: ie. yesterday. But since he's living in Chicago we got it today. Nothing to do with the date the pictures have been taken.

Bill, AKA Kemon01, is following our little conversations he said...

BRegards, Franck.


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