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edwest2 3rd August 2019 01:22

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In previous photos, I have seen a total of four British aircraft on French flatbed rail cars in similar disrepair. They must have been relatively popular at the time.

paulmcmillan 3rd August 2019 12:50

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Interesting the L208x is either L2081 or L2088 - It looks like it may have turned over on landing ..

Both lost May 1940 with 601 Sqn

The pilots of these are confused internet sources maybe someone can confirm serial from photo

the other 'V' has to be P2808



Can anyone work out the correct

paulmcmillan 3rd August 2019 14:53

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242 Sqn
Hurricane P2808 flt. F/Lt. Donald Robert Miller force landed safe 23rd May 1940

(Canadian citizen, Service #94037)

Alex Smart 4th August 2019 02:40

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Close up for me says L205?

Faenor 4th August 2019 17:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paulmcmillan (Post 272571)
242 Sqn
Hurricane P2808 flt. F/Lt. Donald Robert Miller force landed safe 23rd May 1940

(Canadian citizen, Service #94037)

Hi all,

totally P2808 - check this collection, there is photo with visible P2808

http://www.modelari.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2469

Faenor

Alex Smart 5th August 2019 02:15

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Are we looking at the same picture ?
This is the one that I was looking at -
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...edirect=mobile

Looks like L205?to me ?

Col Bruggy 5th August 2019 07:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paulmcmillan (Post 272571)
242 Sqn
Hurricane P2808 flt. F/Lt. Donald Robert Miller force landed safe 23rd May 1940

(Canadian citizen, Service #94037)

Hello,

Donald Robert Miller's RAF Service No. was 37684 - He later transferred to the RCAF (7-5-1945), and was awarded an AFC. His RCAF service number was C94037.

Col.

paulmcmillan 5th August 2019 08:59

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Alex

We are looking at 2 different photos of Hurricanes on rail tracks P2808 and L205x


The second L205x is almost certainly L2050 which has been quoted to me independently over the weekend by two different people who I consulted, including Martin Gleeson who posts on this site he sent me the following

L2050

The No.6 Repair & Salvage Unit ORB (AIR 29/802) under 28 May 1940 has the following after noting a salvage party had been
sent to the 501 Sqn. aerodrome to salvage or repair a number of Hurricanes.
"Hurricane L2050 (tail unit destroyed in taxying accident) dismantled and despatched to UK".


This matches the tail damage picture in the photo, but does not match the obvious combat damage. My other source says for L2050 incident "12 May 1940 F/O Eustace 'Gus' Holden #37970 - crash landed after return damage in combat with Dornier Do 17"


I note the wings of L2050 are missing and probably retained at 501 Sqn to repair other aircraft. I had L2056 as a possibility for the aircraft on the rail truck, but the No.6 R&SU ORB with the above for L2050 records;

"Port plane replaced on Hurricane L2056, damaged in combat by machine gun bullets."






Paul

paulmcmillan 5th August 2019 09:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Col Bruggy (Post 272636)
Hello,

Donald Robert Miller's RAF Service No. was 37684 - He later transferred to the RCAF (7-5-1945), and was awarded an AFC. His RCAF service number was C94037.

Col.

Col thanks for correction for Miller service number

on the night of August 7, 1938 Miller was piloting Hawker Demon K8199 of 64 Sqn with AC1 Howard Ambrose Peyton-Bruhl #523036 as gunner when they both bailed out of the aircraft at Royson, near Duxford, Cambridgeshire after he ran out of fuel in fog. This was one of four 64 Sqn Demons that had to be abandoned that night for similar reasons the other being: K8200, K8201 and K8185. The 64 Sqn aircraft were undertaking Co-Operation Exercises with Searchlight Battalions at the time

A fifth machine Demon K8187 Force landed in fog and undershot the runway at Digby "Crew of 2 Neither occupant was injured"

The aircraft were abandoned over Cambridgeshire, Peterborough and Leicester

Hawker Demon K8199 was probably the one that crashed at about 4am in a wheatfield at Little Chishill, Cambs. Just prior to it crashing it had been "picked out" by the beam of a searchlight crew

Paul

paulmcmillan 5th August 2019 10:47

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for clarity here are all other L205x Hurricanes and it can be shown that it could only be L2050 or L2056 and L2056 did not have combat damage and also looks like serious enough to injure pilot and based on date and fact Sqn retreating through France at time before evacuation to June 17th 1940 and then to UK

L2050 32/79/501 Presumed lost in France 5.40 Flying Officer Eustace 'Gus' Holden #37970. Crash landed / tail unit destroyed in taxying accident after return damage in combat with Dornier Do 17 on 12 May 1940

L2051 111 Shot down by Bf 109 on patrol over France 18.5.40 Flight Lieutenant (Pilot) Charles Sidney Darwood, RAF 37085 killed AIR 81/2125

L2052 501/111/6 OTU/5 FTS/59 OTU SOC 5.4.45

L2053 501 Crashed, presumably damaged by return fire from He 111s near Mezieres 12.5.40 coded "SD-M" Flying Officer Michael Fauconbridge Clifford Smith RAF (AAF) #90026 killed

L2054 501 Crashed after attacking enemy bombers near St. Hubert, Beauvillers 12.5.40 Coded "SD-E" Flying Officer Peter Herbert Raynor RAF (AAF) #90022 killed AIR 81/286

L2055 501/1/111/56 OTU 501 Coded "SD-K" Spun into ground, West Walton, Norfolk 11.6 1941. Sgt Andrew Masson Duthie #1053684 Killed

L2056 501 Crashed on landing, Anglure 31.5.40. Abandoned. Coded "SD-G" Crashed on landing in bad weather. Pilot Sgt John Eric Loverseed #907964 “On 31st May he was injured after his Hurricane L2056 SD*G crashed on landing after a planned patrol was aborted due to bad weather. He was evacuated to a hospital in England and by the time he returned to 501 on 19th July they were back in England too.”

L2057 213/601 Missing off Portland; presumed shot down by fighters 11.8.40 . Pilot Officer William Gordon Dickie #80541 missing presumed dead;

L2058 605 Shot down by BF 109's near Arras 22.5.40 Sergeant William Michael Florence Moffatt #566018 injured on landing by parachute; AIR 81/532

L2059 605 Hit by return fire from He 11s and collided with one near Odiham 9.9.1940. Pilot Officer George Mathwin Forrester #81369 killed


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