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Edward L. Hsiao 14th March 2019 22:06

Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Gentlemen,

Was there any examples of Luftwaffe pilot veterans serving in French military aviation after World War II? There were ex-pilots of the Luftwaffe in the French Foreign Legion but they served as ground infantryman since the FFL doesn't have any flying machines. I was thinking that the French Army Light Aviation might had some Luftwaffe veterans of WWII.

Edward L. Hsiao

Russell 19th March 2019 09:29

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Gentlemen

Siegfried Freytag in FFL flew helicopters according to an interview on Australian TV a year before his death.

Cheers
Russell

FalkeEins 19th March 2019 10:40

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
interesting. As Edward says - the Légion was transported by regular Armée de l’Air units. Freytag served for eighteen years in the 5e régiment étranger d’infanterie

Edward L. Hsiao 21st March 2019 02:21

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Gentlemen,

So the ex-Luftwaffe pilots of WWII who were in the French Foreign Legion may have a chance of flying French flying machines especially helecopters after all. The French military higher ups may had called for volunteers in the FFL who were ex-pilots to fly again. The topic about Luftwaffe pilot veterans flying and fighting in other air forces of the world after WWII especially the French military is unknown but interesting. It takes time and research. I sincerely hope we can come up with more examples of WWII Germans pilots in a foreign air force soon.

Edward L. Hsiao

hanshauprich 31st May 2019 10:09

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Hello,

Fhj-Uffz. René Darbois, born 1924 in Metz/France.
Served with 3./JG 4, chanced sides at 25. July 1944 in Italy.
Bf 109G-6, WNr. 160 756. Plane still in NASM marked as plane from JG 27.

Darbois chanced his name and flow Spitfire with an french unit in the RAF and flown 122 Missions as an helicopterpilot during the war in Indochina. Suizid 14.2.1955!!
h.

kaki3152 1st June 2019 02:11

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Gerhard Thyben (157V -JG54) served as pilot with the Colombian AF.

ouidjat 1st June 2019 18:38

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
René Darbois
https://www.amazon.fr/Darbois-Pilote.../dp/2876929015
Chevalier de la Légion d'honneur, 21 Décembre 1954.
There is a René Darbois at Metz, born 1949, and councillor at Metz (ecologist).
...
Source internet.

hanshauprich 3rd June 2019 11:11

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Hello,
Rene Darbois was also an member of the Patrouille d'Etampes in 1948, today known as Patrouille de France.
h.

Alex Smart 6th June 2019 01:27

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
How about Syria and Turkey ?

Schlageter 15th June 2019 14:02

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smart (Post 270244)
How about Syria and Turkey ?


Regarding Syria I have found something. Two German pilots served at the Military aviation school in Aleppo as instructors, Fritz Stehle and Alwin Meyer (both former members of ZG 26 and JG 7). They also trained the nucleus of the Lebanese Air Force there.


https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...d-airforce.htm


https://medium.com/war-is-boring/how...a-804f0e1d1283



Walther Schuck and Hartmann Grasser also served as instructors/ advisors to the Syrian Air Force but I haven't found any further details about their service there.


Another former Luftwaffe pilots who supposedly worked for the Syrian Air Force are:


-Siegfried Keil (or Keyl)
-Erwin Holm
-Herbert Liebker (or Luebkehr or Lübker)
-Hans Möhr


Jupp Förster (former NJG 2 and NJG 3 pilot) made his international pilot license 1948 in Lebanon in order to be employed by "Middle East Airlines".


Hope this helps!

Nick Hector 19th June 2019 15:29

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell (Post 266361)
Gentlemen

Siegfried Freytag in FFL flew helicopters according to an interview on Australian TV a year before his death.

Cheers
Russell


Which show was this on, Russel?
Is there a clip available anywhere?

Edward L. Hsiao 22nd June 2019 07:05

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Dear Schlageter,

Pretty interesting information about the former Luftwaffe pilots that were in the Syrian and Lebanese Air Forces indeed. Thank you for sharing.

Edward L. Hsiao

Russell 6th September 2019 08:09

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Nick

Foreign correspondent was the show, and I cannot recall if there was a clip or not, although I saw it live. To say I was astonished is an understatement

Russell

Col Bruggy 6th September 2019 18:27

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Hello,

Contact the Australian Broadcasting Commission:

https://www.abc.net.au/foreign/contact-us

The ABC has excellent archives. Don't know about a clip, but you might be able to get a transcription.

Col

Edward L. Hsiao 10th November 2019 11:36

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
I thought that the Germans in the Luftwaffe that were born in Alsace and Lorraine territory might have joined the French Air Force after WWII. Might be possible.

Edward L. Hsiao

Bookman 11th November 2019 16:19

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
Only the famous JG4 Rene Darbois, who defected with the me109g later painted as my friend Clades white 2 of JG 27, seen at Smithsonian air and space. Darbois was later a flier in Indochina, and sadly committed suicide years later.
Only one other, I've met whose name was Roger, sorry forgot his family name, he flew JU 52's in Indochina for a time.

Edward L. Hsiao 12th November 2019 08:49

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
I'm not surprised if the veteran pilots from the Luftwaffe would be called to fly the Ju-52 transport planes of the French Air Force during the war of Indochina. I know there was no air-to-air combat over Indochina back then.

Edward L. Hsiao

Edward L. Hsiao 17th November 2019 13:02

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
The French Air Force and the French Naval Force had a lot of ex-Luftwaffe aircraft in their inventory. Fw-190s,Ju-88s,Ju-52s,Fi-156s,etc. The Luftwaffe pilot veterans who did joined the French Military Aviation would have no trouble flying them. Kind like a reunion to the Germans.

Edward L. Hsiao

Edward L. Hsiao 12th December 2019 07:43

Re: Ex-Luftwaffe pilots in French Military Aviation After WWII
 
I wonder if there were Luftwaffe pilot veterans ever became airmen of fortune and flew combat sorties over South Africa especially the Congo? The need of pilots from different countries of Europe to go into action over that hot region was great.

Edward L. Hsiao


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