Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Sorry, but going through your JG104 set the theory about staffel numerals doesn't seem to hold at all unless I have misunderstood something? There's black numbers beginning with 1, yellow beginning with 2 and so on.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

The real question, Anders is too verify that all labelled JG 104 pics are really from JG 104. The famous in-flight sequences with "Gelbe 279" and "Gelbe 280" for example are variously identified as JG 102 at Zerbst and JG 104 at Wiesbaden-Erbenheim.

Maybe we should tackle this issue? Who knows more about JG 104? I'm pretty basic...

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Marc,

Not a JG 104 machine but a JG 102 one!!!

"Rote 863" WNr.464863
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

In that case, note that code number is smaller than for JG 104 machine and beneath the canopy.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

@Anders,

This is what I'm asking for ...

The only machine with white number I know from JG 104 is libelled I./JG 104, displays two digit number but we can suppose it's cut and it is certainly ... but the code starts with a "2".

All the rest, when visible are Black numbers ... Except that Blue 677 (if it's really blue) .. but without Staffel neither group indication.

@Marc,
exactly ... 1/ Are we sure? (Yes when indicated on photo backside)
2/ not enough to be sure but note that Eric is talking about Flight Books ; with an "s"! Maybe in a next future publication...

Cheers, Franck.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Just to double the questions:

I have another "Schwarze 473" at hand in Fürth:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/6211479750
Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. unknown "Schwarze 473", Fürth, Summer 1945. Noro 2009, picture 149, p. 112.

Wow, no easy matter...
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

And :)
Blaue 677
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
or
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=742

Comments in David site are interesting. Note that we have a 1./JG 104 machine with a II. Gruppe bar marking!!!!!
Should be an exception!

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

4./JG 104 so why Black number? ...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Without talking about this one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Code number style AND dimension is closer to blue 677, and with a 2nd Gruppe bar ..
In fact I tend to think that Blaue 677 is not from JG 104, since long.
But we are not going to resolve that right now, are we??
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

That's the whole issue... black tactical numbers most of the time, and 4xx indicates 4./JG 104, 5xx gives away 5./JG 104, etc...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

No, let's ponder over it for a while...

Read you soon :-))
Marc