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yogybär 8th January 2007 15:19

Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
The VVS got nearly 3.000 Hurries starting in late 1941.

I roughly assume the arrivals like this:
1941 = 250
1942 = 1500
1943 = 1000
Does anyone have better data?

Especially in 1942, the VVS needed (and used!) every combat A/C they got, so I think also all Hurries were pout into action. A lot was used (& lost) near Murmansk.

Some data from Luftwaffe claims:
- 261 altogether
- nearly all from JG77/JG5, means Murmansk
- 43 claims in June-September 1942 some by JG3 & JG52, means during the german summeroffensive in the South.

Now to my questions:
- Where were all these Hurricanes used?
- Which units?
- from when up to which date, to which extent, etc. pp.

That's it already ;)

Buz 9th January 2007 01:29

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
Hurricane Deliveries

1941 - 484
1942 - 1115
1943 - 853
1944 - 382

Total - 2834 (figures do not include anything lost in transist)

I understand that they operated over the Northern Areas, with the main areas being the Kalinin, Leningrad and Karelian Fronts, then later were issued to PVO units. Russian Hurricanes were also seen over Stlingrad and Vienna amoungst many other places.

More than 30 units used the Hurricane

Hope this helps a little

Buz

Yves Marino 9th January 2007 03:16

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yogybär (Post 34972)
The VVS got nearly 3.000 Hurries starting in late 1941. Now to my questions:
- Where were all these Hurricanes used?
- Which units?
- from when up to which date, to which extent, etc. pp.

That's it already ;)

Gruesse Yogybaer!

Check this sites:
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/englis...5252/index.htm
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/englis...anes/index.htm

In this forum check the thread started by Jack Sanders called "VVS Statistical Digest "(sticky), for delivered planes (in russian) or find the information you need under:
http://ilpilot.narod.ru/vvs_tsifra/gl_4/4.139.html

By the way you have written in the above thread in may 2006! Already forgotten!:)

Buz, sorry if I repeat you - I guess you have used the same source?

kalender1973 9th January 2007 10:02

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yogybär (Post 34972)
The VVS got nearly 3.000 Hurries starting in late

Now to my questions:
- Where were all these Hurricanes used?
- Which units?
- from when up to which date, to which extent, etc. pp.

That's it already ;)

Hello,

the Hurricane was most hated plane(by soviet pilot) that was delivered to USSR from western partners. Therefore, by the chance, the Hurricane was banned from the front line to the Home Air defence, the units, that did not partipiate in the war so active as VVS KA (Soviet air force).
http://ilpilot.narod.ru/vvs_tsifra/gl_3/3.121.html
The only exception, is the air arm of northern fleet (VVS SF), where Hurricane was used until end of 43.

Best regards

yogybär 9th January 2007 17:41

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
Hi all, salut Yves (tu est francais?).

Thanks for ths infos. I didn't find the L&L figures in the stat. digest myself... now I have them ;).

I am especially interested in the dteails about the use of Hurricanes on the "main front", meaning Leningrad & especially South 1942. Which units, losses etc.

BTW: The delivery of 400+ L&L-Hurris in 1944 really shows the disrespect of the British towards their "Allied" partner USSR...

Yves, what you mean about May 2006?

kalender1973 9th January 2007 17:57

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yogybär (Post 35061)
Hi all, salut Yves (tu est francais?).

Thanks for ths infos. I didn't find the L&L figures in the stat. digest myself... now I have them ;).

I am especially interested in the dteails about the use of Hurricanes on the "main front", meaning Leningrad & especially South 1942. Which units, losses etc.

BTW: The delivery of 400+ L&L-Hurris in 1944 really shows the disrespect of the British towards their "Allied" partner USSR...

Yves, what you mean about May 2006?

Hi,

the losses of all plane of russian nothern fleet over 41-44 are here:
http://www.eismeerfront.com/eis_html/poteri.htm

Unfortenately, the allied could not be elected by vote. Otherwise the USSR found somebody, who open the second front in the Normandy in 42 or may be 43, what the Stalin demands and even Roosvelt accepted.

Reagrds

Graham Boak 9th January 2007 18:32

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
Not disrepect at all. The number had been asked for, promised, and Stalin would have been sharply critical had deliveries fallen short. The Hurricane was still in use by the RAF at this time, and remained in use until the end of the war (and until 1946).

Had the Russians used their 100 octane fuel in the Hurricane the performances wouldn't have been so disappointing.

Opening the second front (you mean, apart from the fighting in Italy and Burma and the Pacific?) earlier than 1944 simply could not have been successfully done before 1944 - the transport wasn't there. Even after allowing for the merchant shipping lost supplying Russia.

Brian 10th January 2007 01:27

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
Hi guys

I am not really au fait with the Anglo-Russian relationship during WWII and early post war, but did the Russians actually ever offer help to Britain in any form? That is apart from threatening the part of England in which I live? I understand (on good authority) that Russian nuclear weapons were directed at the RAF and USAF bases in Suffolk until the end of the Cold War - the period and location in which I grew up!

On that happy note

Brian

Yves Marino 10th January 2007 05:01

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yogybär (Post 35061)
Hi all, salut Yves (tu est francais?).
...Yves, what you mean about May 2006?

No, I'm Canadian and .... it was August, sorry!

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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: VVS Statistical Digest
Thanks, that's a very good link!

Next stage would be to have the types "Bomb., Shturmo., Istreb." sub-divided into actual planetypes. At least for fighters, I'd love to see that...

Or does already it exist and I just missed it?
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yogybär 10th January 2007 09:57

Re: Soviet Hurricanes - where, when, ...?
 
OK Yves, merci ;).

Please guys, what about discussing the Anglo-soviet relations in a different thread? This one here is MINE ;) and about VVS Hurricanes.

Graham, that info on 100octane fuel is interesting. Do you know how far performance deteriorated due to use of low-quality-gasoline?


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