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musec04 7th April 2020 20:58

Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of an Italian Spad S.VII Serial S.4692 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Fotografia-o...8AAOSwroJcueyu


Regards,


Clint

musec04 23rd April 2020 20:23

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay another Spad S.VII A6706 of 19 Squadron RFC shot down by MvR at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Richthofen-F...gAAOSwObReoVvG


Regards,


Clint

musec04 24th May 2020 22:08

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay are photos of Italian Spads at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...wAAOSwmMBeygvx





https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...sAAOSwp49eySQA




Regards,


Clint

musec04 29th May 2020 12:08

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on delcampe is a Spad A.2 S.31 of N 73 at:



https://www.delcampe.net/de/sammlero...946673357.html


A little easier to identify than some Spad photos recently :)


Regards,


Clint

musec04 3rd June 2020 18:01

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Spad S.XIII with a striking emblem at:




https://www.ebay.fr/itm/WW1-AVION-BI...wAAOSwaspe15~W



Regards,


Clint

Bertrand H 3rd June 2020 18:22

Re: Photo Spad
 
Thanks Clint ; it is a Spad XIII of Escadrille 87. Spad XIII from May 1918.

Bertrand

musec04 3rd June 2020 18:30

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello Bertrand,


Thanks for the reply. I shall investigate Escadrille 87 further on Albindenis.


Regards,


Clint

musec04 3rd June 2020 18:52

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello Bertrand,


Really a seperate subject I suppose, but on the page for Escadrille 87 :


http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...adrille087.htm


There is a photo of shotdown Albatros C.XII (Bay) C.1851 which the site attributes to FA 16. Interestingly Peter M Grosz in WDF 129 Albatros C.XII vol.2 P.24 has the same machine with the same crew and shot down by Ruamps of N 87 as flown by FA 46b. Possibly the info on Albindenis reflects later information. Is there any further information from the french side, you're aware of, which would support the case for the machine being from FA 16?


Regards,


Clint

musec04 5th June 2020 11:57

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of an Italian Spad S.VII S.470* at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Foto-Fotogra...kAAOSwD4Je2JzY



Regards,


Clint

Stig Jarlevik 5th June 2020 16:48

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hi CLint

I have never understood why the Italians did not mark their SPADS as they did their other aircraft.
In WDF 155 I cannot locate a single SPAD marked in the "normal" Italian way.

If Alegi and Variable are to be believed what we are looking at is actually an Italian serial, applied in exactly the same way as the French did. So far 4700 to 4707 have been identified in that range.

Cheers
Stig

musec04 5th June 2020 16:56

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello Stig,


Ihave that batch starting at 4688 my source being Alegi and Varriale Italian Spads at War WDF 155.Since its possible to assign at least one operating unit to most of those serials it seems credible. .


Regards,


Clint

musec04 5th June 2020 17:05

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello Again,


I've just picked up WDF 155. One thing that does strike me as troubling is that some of the aircraft listed as Italian serials in the 53** sequence on P.29 conflict with Caproni Ca.4 serials, so I'fd like to take this opportunity to ask if you know of a source which lists all Caproni serials through Ca.1 to Ca.5?


Regards,


Clint

Stig Jarlevik 5th June 2020 17:08

Re: Photo Spad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by musec04 (Post 289918)
Hello Stig,

Ihave that batch starting at 4688 my source being Alegi and Varriale Italian Spads at War WDF 155.Since its possible to assign at least one operating unit to most of those serials it seems credible. .

Regards,
Clint

I know, I only quoted the numbers relevant to the photo itself.

There are many instances if you check all the WDF booklets with listed Italian serial numbers where batches quoted clash. I have no good explanation for that.

Cheers
Stig

musec04 5th June 2020 17:17

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hi ,


Yes the problems with the clashing WDF serials is what led me to ask if you knew of another reference for the Capronis.Having said that, if the two Caproni Ca.3 at war volumes become available at a normal price, count me in :)


Regards,


Clint

musec04 5th June 2020 20:24

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is another Italian Spad at:




https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-30-WW-1-...UAAOSweoReSbzg


Regards,


Clint

musec04 19th June 2020 10:49

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello



Currently on delcampe is a photo of Spad S.XI S.6254 at:




https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...601901722.html


Regards,


Clint

musec04 22nd June 2020 08:19

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay are a number of photos of Spad S.13 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Four-WW1-Pi...QAAOSwaZNe7~co


The seller suspects that the aircraft are 95 Aero Squadron, but the text on the rear of the photos is french. One aircraft appears to have the personal name Odette below the cockpit. OK could be a USA pilot with a french girlfriend or then again not.


Regards,


Clint

Stig Jarlevik 22nd June 2020 10:18

Re: Photo Spad
 
I agree 110% Clint

Nothing to do with 95th Aero Sq!
They were known as the 'Kicking Mules' and carried a big emblem with that effect on the fuselage side. Their unit digits were always behind that emblem....
Never come across a single photo showing anything else.

Cheers
Stig

musec04 27th June 2020 19:14

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Spad S.VII S 132 Vieux Charles as flown by Guynemer at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/LE-PILOTE-GU...8AAOSw1Exe92H3


Is this photo postwar? Most of the people in the photo appear to be civilians.I don't know if the photo has been seen before, but the price requested appears to back the sellers statement that the photo is original.


Also available from the same seller is a photo of Pinsard's S 122 at:




https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PILOTE-PINSA...AAAOSw11Je92DL


and Pinsard and S 112 at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PHOTOGRAPHIE...YAAOSwIIFbQi0x






Regards,


Clint

Stig Jarlevik 27th June 2020 19:31

Re: Photo Spad
 
Since Guynemer was killed during the war I would say the original photo was taken during WW 1 and not after.

The seller seems to have a whole range of photos of both Guynemer and other heroes including a number of nice car photos. Asking price seems to be in the range of EUR 300 to 500 so if you and I buy the lot we can both declare us bankrupt post payment....:D

Cheers
Stig

musec04 27th June 2020 19:38

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hi Stig,


I knew Guynemer was killed during the war. I just wouldn't be able to tell him from say, MvR, in a photo. I guess I could well have included the info about not being able to identify him in the post however. :o



With my government debauching the currency the photos would probably be a means of maintaining the value of my savings.I probably won't be buying them all though. :)


Regards,


Clint

Stig Jarlevik 27th June 2020 19:53

Re: Photo Spad
 
Well Clint

I am pretty confident the guy is Guynemer in the photo. There is another "seller-recommend" close up shot as well, this time for the nice and even sum of EUR 500.

Perhaps you should ask Boris for a hand out?? :)

Cheers
Stig

musec04 27th June 2020 19:58

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hi Stig,


I'm happy to accept your id, and in fact if ebay had worked as normal when you request the sellers other items in time order I'd also have seen Spads S 122 and S 112 and concluded that given all three machines were early Spad VII aircraft that it was wartime. All embarassment free. But for some reason that didn't work in this case.


If Boris has got any sense (I know, I know) Rishi Sunak will be bidding on the photos himself in order to replace the inflated cash.


Regards,


Clint

Stig Jarlevik 27th June 2020 20:29

Re: Photo Spad
 
Somebody has to tip him off then....

(No, no, don't look at me....)

Cheers
Stig

musec04 20th August 2020 15:40

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Spad S.VII with a personal name on the fuselage at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Photo-avi...UAAOSwxF1fPm78


Regards,


Clint

musec04 20th August 2020 17:09

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of Spad S.VII after capture as follows:


1. Spad S.VII S.224 of N 31 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-Weltkrieg-...gAAOSwPqFfPolZ


2. Spad B3506 of 23 Sq RFC at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-Weltkrieg-...wAAOSw6GNfPoxW


Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 21st August 2020 17:10

Re: Photo Spad
 
SPAD 224 is interesting, Lt. Mistarlet was shot down (POW) 6 April 1917 by Bongartz Jasta 36 (his first victory); the undercarriage was damaged on landing and crosses were painted over the cocardes but the badge was left on. Painted on the fuselage was " Abgeschossen von der Jagdstaffel 36".
Stephen Lawson did an article in "Cross and Cockade 20-1" on Js36, though Mistarlet is shown in a Nieuport ( unconfirmed, by Dossenbach) and Bongartz' SPAD flown by Lt. Lorrillard KIA ( confirmed ) evidently the names reversed.

Nick
( Just checked another Grub St. book and Lorrillard was in SPAD VII 164 ( N.48), KIA after balloon attack).

musec04 21st August 2020 19:42

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hi Nick,


Thanks. Spad S.VII 224 seems to have been much photographed having done an image search on Duck Duck Go.


Strange that it should crop up with the sellers other photos, the Spad S.VII B3506 and in the Albatros D.III and Albatros D.V threads on this board. I guess Jastas 36 and 24 must have been based close to each other at some stage unless postcards of S.224 were widely distributed, which I suppose is not unlikely.


Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 22nd August 2020 16:01

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hi Clint. B3506 WAS shot down by Jasta 24, by H. Kroll ( 10th victory) 12 Sept. 1917 near Menin; pilot was 2/Lt. S W Dronsfield POW. So a connection there somehow.
Regards
Nick

musec04 30th August 2020 12:56

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay there is a nice photo of a Spad S.VII of SPA 78 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/XX9-Foto-WK1...wAAOSwRHhfS4Hz


Regards,


Clint

Stig Jarlevik 30th August 2020 13:40

Re: Photo Spad
 
This photo has been part of an Album where it said the aircraft came down on an airfield near Reims on 23-5-17 (only the digits 17 are 100% certain). The date in that album is probably wrong or I am unable to read correctly the digits....

The Denis site is no help here, but it is probably also not complete. At least one pilot WIA on 3-5-1917 is not included in his list.

Cheers
Stig

musec04 30th August 2020 13:57

Re: Photo Spad
 
Hello Stig,


I must admit I didn't check the Albin Denis site before posting. I see after doing so, that the same photo is shown there and the source is Greg van Wyngarden. I personally don't have anything he's written that's Spad related, but I wonder if there is more information inone of his publications?


Regards,


Clint


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