eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hi Gents,

Some gift early in the morning ...
I told you (or just to Falcon?) there was an emblem - a personal one - which looks like a Mickey mouse .... similar to Jaenish one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-PER...-/251306421060
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-PER...-/251306421437

And previous photos:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7546
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7545

Regards, Franck.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

From Osprey's- Aviation Elite Units. 001. Jagdgeschwader 2. 'Richthofen' by John Weal is this photo, is this the same Yellow 10 and could it be flown also by Gunther Seegar?

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Different Chris. Unless it had a completely new paint job and entirely new markings painted on. Check distance between rear of canopy and the '10' numerals. I wonder if though the same pilot would have flown this 'Yellow 10'? :)

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hi Friends,

Different plane for sure.

However, Uffz. Günther Seeger crashed two times:

One "Gelbe 12" on 03-May-1940; 20% Trier-Euren Fl.Pl. Bf 109E-1.
one "Gelbe 10" on 10-May-1940; 100% at Bassenheim Fl.Pl. Bf 109E
Most probably the one in Chris attachment. (Mombeek, JG 2 Vol 1 French edition)

But: Check please the wonderful "Gelbe 10" with a Mickey mouse emblem page 65 of the same book.
Photo taken in September 1939 at Döberitz. Infortunately no pilot's name. Early camouflage.

Regards, Franck.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Yep, thanks chaps, and I have Seegar as the jockey of Yellow 9 for much of the time

I couldn't see the Mickey Mouse emblem on p65 Franck, I see Janish' mount on p46 but on p69 of Eric's Volume 1 there is Yellow 10 at Doberitz in September 1039 with a 'Mickey' emblem.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

:confused:
?? French edition??? On page 46 I see 21st of April 1938 ceremony (20th death of Richtofen) photos.
I'm talking about:
"Dans le ciel de France" Histoire de la JG 2 "Richthofen" by Mombeeck, Roba and Goss.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Pah, non, le edition Anglais! Vous êtes un plonker :-)

(if your reading Eric please do an English JG2 Volume 2)

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

I bought one of these photos, but didn't pay too much attention to the "smear" under the cockpit (not really visible on the blurred print).

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hi Guys!!!!
:D
Erik is on German edition for volume 1 ... Funny since he is changing photos and so on ... I like this guy.

Dénes nice to "see" you again. Well I think that even with your original it's not possible to "read" this emblem.

If I do consider the photo, page 69, french edition, I would say it's the same plane.

More important: does some nice fellow have a nice detailled photo of Jaenish mickey mouse???

Tschüss, Franck.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hello,

You will find one version of Ofw Franz Jaenischs' personalised Mickey Mouse emblem in the following publication:

Scale Aircraft Modelling (UK). Vol.4, No.9. June, 1982. p.422.
Aircraft of the Aces - Werner Molders. by Michael Payne.

It is a good close-up shot of the emblem on the port side, immediately behind, and below the cockpit canopy. No other markings are visible, but the aircraft has the dense mottling associated with JG 2 aircraft

Sorry, no scanner. Perhaps Chris Goss can help. l believe he has some of the late Michael Payne's collection.

Col.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Sure Col.

Too hot outside?
http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/B...e-1940-02.html

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hello,

I think that this is the a/c we carry in the EoE Luft Loss List as:

"17 March 1940: 1./JG2Messerschmitt Bf109E-3. Crashed on landing at Frankfurt-Rebstock due to control failure. Pilot unhurt. Aircraft 40% damaged but repairable."


Obviously, the damage is more like 80% and not repairable.


Regards,


Larry Hickey

EoE Project Coordinator

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hello Larry,

Thank you for your input.
- March 1940 was Snowy?
- Its' an E-1 from 3./JG 2.

We have two aspects here:
Who is the pilot pictured on two photos ?? Though I Wonder if the guy sat on cowling is the same than the first one pictured in that early heavy flight fatigue???
And, again, March was Snowy ???

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Also here:

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/B...e-1940-02.html

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

My post #11 Chris!!!

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Franck,

Yes, March was quite snowy in Germany. Obviously, if our ID of the incident is correct, the a/c must be from 3./JG2 and not 1./JG2, as indicated above. The 3 Staffel "Horrido" pennant on the cowling is quite prominent in some of the photos of this incident.

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hi Larry,

OK, March was Snowy. Beyond that I don't know.
Bruch %?? It's difficult. Of course the plane is cut in two pieces but was it that heavy?? I think there is a difference between "open" and "broken".
Mombeek is not giving a lot and no Bruch % seems to match.

I think the only way is to put a name on those pictured guys.

And to link the Döberitz "Gelbe 10" with somebody; because the Jaenish emblem is similar but it's not the same while, for me, Gelbe 10 emblem on this last picture and the one on Döberitz machine is the same ...
So: Legion Condor veteran or Jaenish Kette?

Regards, Franck.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Last one ...

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7670

I don't know why III. Gruppe and 3.Staffel ????

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hi Guys,

Back on this one:

I got this new - old eBay auction - Gelbe 10 in my data:
Look Under the canopy Inside red circle...
An E-1. Same "1" style an position. Markings on propeller blades; same camouflage characteristic just over charger air scoop. Same ring on spinner tip Just visible on this one:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7670

and "Mickey's head top" Inside the circle I drawn.

All in all it seems to be the same; but still without pilot's name, place WNr. and so on...

Regards, Franck.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Please send me the pic without the circle, Franck. I'll add it to the others... It's a good find! The sign on the cowling seems to be here also incomplete.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Yep! Exactly. Same comments came from Erik who did publish it already and times ago ...
I do it right now.

Tschüss, Franck.

Re: eBay: Bf 109 E-1. "Gelbe 10". 3./JG 2 & Personal emblem.
 

Hello Guys,

For who is interested I just made a scan of the picture I talked earlier.
JG 2 History, T1, page 65 by Erik Mombeeck.

The photo comes from Strümpell collection...

Regards, Franck.