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Alex Smart 12th November 2022 22:23

B17 and P51 crash today
 
B17 "Texas Raiders" and a P51 crashed today.
Thoughts and prayers go out to families concerned.🫂🫂🫂 🙏🙏🙏

harrison987 13th November 2022 01:55

SO sad... P-63 crashed into a B-17 today. No survivors
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KAS...l=trainingdays

Sad...

TigerTimon 13th November 2022 13:39

Re: B17 and P51 crash today
 
Very sad indeed. It actually was a P-63 Kingcobra which sustained minor damage twice previously (in 2013/17) in forced landings due to fuel exhaustion/starvation (ASN Wikibase).

Adriano Baumgartner 13th November 2022 22:52

Re: SO sad... P-63 crashed into a B-17 today. No survivors
 
Indeed, this is a sad video...
May the Family Members of the aircrew receive our most sincere sympathies.
I do believe that those warbirds should be kept in perfect conditions only for ground (taxying) purposes....the risk of malfunction (remember the Bf 109 G coded 6 that crashed) or this kind of accidents is really high. Losses of experienced airmen such as the pilots and aircrew who flew them, our Aviation Community can not afford anymore.

Alex Smart 13th November 2022 23:53

Re: B17 and P51 crash today
 
Thank you Tiger, First report I heard I'm sure they said P-51. But yes you are correct many thanks for your post and details.
Alex

Jim Oxley 14th November 2022 00:08

Re: SO sad... P-63 crashed into a B-17 today. No survivors
 
It is a horrid tragic accident, especially so for those family and friends impacted.

I don't think the issue is so much the reliability of flying these old aircraft. More to the point has to be the issue of effective radio ground control and chosen flight paths. Some serious questions have to be asked. From the videos I have seen online the area was far too congested over the airfield. The P-51 and P-63 should never have been allowed to fly so close to the B-17's.

TigerTimon 14th November 2022 10:09

Re: SO sad... P-63 crashed into a B-17 today. No survivors
 
Aircraft are meant to fly + many parts are not original anymore (have been replaced) so the reliability is in order.
I agree with you, Jim.

RSwank 14th November 2022 20:51

Re: SO sad... P-63 crashed into a B-17 today. No survivors
 
A little bit of explanation of what happened in this video and what the next steps are regarding the investigation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sceufd1Xutc

RSwank 6th December 2022 14:03

Re: SO sad... P-63 crashed into a B-17 today. No survivors
 
The preliminary NTSB report can be downloaded here:

https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/a...ort/106276/pdf

Here is an explanation of the report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVqg-pCb6o


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