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Rabe Anton

28th November 2015 00:43

Loss of Bf 109G-6/U4 of II./JG 27

Does a reader possibly have further details about the following loss:

30 Apr. 1944
Time 15xx hr.
II./JG 27
Area of Vendeville, France
Bf 109G-6/U4
WNr. (fragment) 4401
90 per. loss to enemy action (Luftkampf)
Oblt. N.F.N. Von Lubisch FF (erste Name unbekannt)

I am specially interested in the complete Werknummer, SKZ, tactical markings,
and the Stab or Staffel to which Von Lubisch belonged.

Interestingly, neither Werner Girbig nor Prien/Stemmer seem to have entries for this loss in their unit histories of JG 27 and II./JG 27.

RA

Peglar

28th November 2015 08:40

Re: Loss of Bf 109G-6/U4 of II./JG 27

RA - Please remember,Werner Girbig was one of the first who strove, also without technical aids that help you find all facts and figures out - the following generations had it easy up there to serve but he knows 100 % Lubich was recently at JG 2, some photos and letters prove this, but nobody knows everything - Oberleutnant Ivo von Lubich-Edler von Milova JG 51, JG 105 - 7./ JG 2 G 6 440 001

Greetings

Peglar

Charles Bavarois

28th November 2015 08:52

Re: Loss of Bf 109G-6/U4 of II./JG 27

Hello Anton Rabe,

to add to Peglars posting:
Oblt Ivo Lubich, Edler von Milowan, Staffelführer 7/ II JG 2.
KIA 30.04.1944 9 km NW Montargis in combat with many P-47 in Bf 109 G6, WNr. 440001, no code reported.

In this action Uffz Wolfgang Liebig from the same Staffel was also KIA.

Greetings

Carl

Peglar

28th November 2015 08:57

Re: Loss of Bf 109G-6/U4 of II./JG 27

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=34553

Rabe Anton

28th November 2015 19:24

Re: Loss of Bf 109G-6/U4 of II./JG 27

Grüß Gott Carl, Peglar, and Jim P!

Thank you so much for taking the time and interest to present your details of the loss
of Bf 109G-6 WNr. 440 001 on 30.04.44. Excellent answers, just exactly what I had hoped for!

In the way of clarification, my information came from HW 5/478 - CX/MSS/T175/106.
The unit was wrongly given there as "(Roman) II JG (Smudge) 7," which was interpreted as "Fair indications 27."

The ULTRA message also states "G-6 U 4," which fits nicely with the 44x xxx series. Just as you fellows have stated, it also says "(torn off) km. N.W. Montargis (small smudge) to 3 km. N.W. (B% Vendeville)."

So, again, thank you both for responding. A big help indeed.

RA

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