Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Hello Gentlemen. Im looking for informations regarding a dogfight between Mustangs of Bentwaters Wing and Russians either over Bremen in March 18, 1945 either Berlin in March 21, 1945. The entry i have mentioned that RAF boys shoot down 5 Russian fighters! Any help will deeply appreciated. Thank you very much.

Dimitris

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

On the 18th March there was Ramrod 1502 to Langendreer (Bruchstrasse) and Hattingen

On the 21st March a small escort to Copenhagen and Ramrods 1508 to Bremen and 1509 to Rheine. No one went anywhere near Berlin

No mention of any Germans causing trouble, never mind Russians

If the Russians were over Bremen in March 1945 then the war did not go the way I thought it did. Which could explain a lot...

Have you got your dates right?

Martin

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Dimitris,

Could you please mention your source of information? Thanks.

611 Sqn encountered Russian a/c near Berlin on the 16/4/45, before engaging with Fw 190s. I'm not aware of any other encounters by RAF Mustangs.

JJ mentions in Wing Leader encountering Russian a/c over Berlin whilst leading 41 Sqn but there was no firing. This was also April '45.

Bruce

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Hi guys

If I may become involved - I believe Dimitris has access to the logbook of W/Cdr John Plagis (I, too, have a copy), in which is mentioned the clash with Soviet fighters, and several claims.

Cheers
Brian

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Gentlemen, thanks for the replies. Brian is right. There is a conflict between the dates of Plagis logbook and the Bentwaters ORBS and im trying to understand whats happening here. For example he also mention that he took part in the famous Copenhagen raid (Shellraid) but writes that he flew it in 27/3 and not 21/3! Kind of complicated here. Any deconflict would be nice?

Offcourse shooting down allied planes would be a very uneasy situation to write in official documents

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Old time writing, one can confuse 1 and 7.

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Palgis did not participate in the Shellhouse raid on the 21st of March

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Well I don't think that a pilot of his magnitude would write missions he didn't flew in his logbook. Different dates between personal logs and ORBS Is a common issue in many pilots and this wasn't something done in purpose.

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Wing Commander Michel Donnet was the leader of the fighter escort for the Shellhouse raid. Plagis is not mentioned anywhere in the raid reports. I would be very, very glad if you can give further information from the logbook

Re: Dogfight Between RAF and VVS over Germany, March 1945
 

Ok I pm you the page when I'm back from work today. Thanks