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ouidjat 4th November 2010 07:23

4/10 Bf109s on eBay
 
Hello,

I wander if the following pictures are originals as pretended, however quite interesting!

1. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-notgelandete...item20b4e64b1c
2. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-notgelandete...item20b4e64dec
3. http://cgi.ebay.de/2-WK-Foto-ME-109-...item3f0484f592
4. Rote 13 "Marga" 11./JG27, Bartels' plane...
http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e69f1f
5. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6c096
6. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6c86d
7. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6caf0
8. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6ccfe
9. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6d018
10. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6d292
11. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6d893
12. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6daab
13. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6dd01
14. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e64410

Regards, Franck.

ouidjat 4th November 2010 11:23

Re: 4/10 Bf109s on eBay
 
Hello,

#1 & 2: Of course you have recognised WNr.3462, not 3469... and it's Lt. Wolfgang Ludewig 's Bf109E-1, on 10th May 1940.
#3: check here too: http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=5483

Concerning Bartels plane and other 11./JG27 Bf109G-6 including in these auctions:
- place could be Kalamaki, but not 100% sure.
- I think all individuals are pictured with Red 5 which has an interesting cowling... And it's not a G-6/trop.
- Bartels plane is a G-6/Trop, definitely.
Note there is no mention of G-/trop during this period in both M. Holm and M. Reimer sites...

Regards, Franck.

Bertrand H 4th November 2010 20:32

Re: 4/10 Bf109s on eBay
 
Hello Franck,

http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6dd01

Could it be the smooth slope of Caffiers airfield with a JG26 a/c ?


bertrand

Modeldad 5th November 2010 15:48

Re: 4/10 Bf109s on eBay
 
Any information on those G-6 with under-wing cannon?

Also the double bars?

http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-JAGD-FLUGZEU...item20b4e6d292

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...Z-1/IMG_93.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...Z-1/IMG_97.jpg

Bertrand H 5th November 2010 15:59

Re: 4/10 Bf109s on eBay
 
http://cgi.ebay.de/2-WK-Foto-ME-109-...item3f0484f592

Franck,

According to JFS Teil 2, I./JG76 lost eight 109 E-1 between 3/3/40 and 26/4/40 (50 days!).

Percentages of wreck are from 6% to 100%. I think we can take off one in Luftkamp (21/4/40).

A "gelben 13" is published page 440 of JFS Teil 2. May be it is the same a/c if it is really a yellow 13 in ebay and david Weiss' photos.


bertrand

Miguel 5th November 2010 17:32

Re: 4/10 Bf109s on eBay
 
Any information on those G-6 with under-wing cannon?

Also the double bars?

G6 of 11/JG27 during the summer of 1943, probably at Tanagra (Greece).

IV/JG27 used the double bar as Gruppe identification until September 1943 that changed to the wavy line.

Cheers

ouidjat 5th November 2010 17:53

Re: 4/10 Bf109s on eBay
 
Hello there,

@Steven, Miguel gave the answer; Greece for sure, could be Kalamaki too...
@Bertrand,
Yes for caffiers.
as for I./JG76; with that early camouflage yellow numbers where outlined in black and red ones in white...

Regards, Franck.


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