RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
Hi!
I am looking for the serial number and unit for the RAF B-24, India, 1944 RAF no 1673 HCU used at that time, Liberator Mark III, VI, And IX. But i think The Black Swan is a Liberator B MK VI (B-24G/H/ (J)? It might also be a Liberator from no 159? Picture https://www.b24australia.org.au/b-24.../bill-anderson Regards JohanSWE Sorry, posted in wrong discussion group. |
Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
I59/S was KH252 from some time after 7.10.44 until it transferred to 358 Sq. This must be a strong contender. There are a lot of serial/code links dot 159 Sq in Air Britain's tome on the Liberator in RAF & Commonwealth service, including at least one X, but that was the only S I've found in a quick search. (That's not to claim that I couldn't have missed one or more.)
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
This was B-24J. Definitely not G, or H.
Gabor |
Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
KH252 was a B-24J-CF. B M.VIs in this delivery batch were built from a range of batch numbers, but were modified to a consistent -30 standard in Kentucky (most likely Modification Center for this series.)
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
KH252 might be a potential candidate. Gonna dig more in to it.
I will try to get the records from 1673 HCU, AIR 29/614/7 that covers October 1943 to November 1944. Before 1673 HCU was disbanded and adopted to no 159 and other units. Maybe the records can show the A/C inventory for example? |
Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
I very much doubt whether a 1673 HCU aircraft would carry individual nose art. There's none to be seen on the photos I've seen - there may well of course be more photos around! It was however common on 159 Sq., where several examples are known. In the Air Britain book, most but not all 159 Sq examples are given with code letters (though not all) but there was only one S that I could find, and it did fall into the right period.
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
After reading on rquirk's website there is alsoThe EV911 S, B-24J-10-CF, ex 42-64269
due to when i read about Bill Anderson, he mentioned that he in October 1944 as captain for S for Sugar, KH252 S where going on a new mission. But EV911 S was also used earlier. A potential? And i started to wonder if Black Swan might be code "B" and not "S".? I need look up Liberator in RAF & Commonwealth service. |
Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
Hello,
For Matt Poole's views on Liberator KH252, go to: https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/vi...ert-quirks-/55 Hit READ, go to p.114 (see also EV911, p.70). (Caveat: The material available here, is not Matt's latest research on the subject. Best to contact him personally for the latest). NB. Matt has now removed this material from Robert Quirk's site. Robert Quirk has serious health issues and for the present his site will remain available. Long-term, who knows? Col. |
Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
Hello all,
Col, thanks for Matt Poole's document link. I'm very sorry to hear about Robert Quirk's condition, and wish him all the best. Anderson's 1st mission was in 'S' (according to landing time in the orb). Some 159 Sqn's Liberators (from my old list): Coded S: AL537, AL620, BZ922, KH252 Coded X: AL638, BZ836, BZ842, EV960, EV993, KH170, KH276, KH408, KL677. KH247 also listed (possibly wrong). "Black Swan" was Mcn 30-?5?, probably in the KH___ range. Long time ago I researched Mcn 43 series only (corrections are welcome). 43-001 KL391 44-49682 (correct, and KL591 was 43-083) 43-002 KL580 44-49452 43-003 KL581 44-49453 BL-U 43-004 KL575 44-49441 EP-R 43-005 KL582 44-49455 43-006 KL577 44-49444 BL-T 43-007 KL579 44-49449 43-008 KL574 44-49440 BL-V 43-009 KL583 44-49457 43-010 KL578 44-49447 43-011 KL584 44-49459 BL-J 43-012 KL573 44-49439 43-013 KL588 44-49473 43-014 KL587 44-49470 43-015 KL590 44-49477 probably 43-016 KL589 44-49475 probably 43-017 KL585 44-49462 43-018 KL576 44-49443 43-019 KL586 44-49465 43-020 KL593 44-49692 43-021 KL572 44-49426 43-022 KL475 44-49058 43-023 KL501 44-49107 BL-S 43-024 KL504 44-49110 43-025 KL560 44-49206 43-026 KL527 44-49147 .W, 70 Sqn, 205 Group 43-027 KL499 44-49105 43-028 KL503 44-49109 43-029 KL507 44-49113 43-030 KL494 44-49100 43-031 KL495 44-49101 43-032 KL479 44-49069 43-033 KL485 44-49090 43-034 KL487 44-49093 43-035 KL482 44-49078 43-036 KL488 44-49094 43-037 KL524 44-49142 43-038 KL489 44-49095 43-039 KL484 44-49083 43-040 KL513 44-49119 43-041 KL526 44-49145 43-042 KL512 44-49118 43-043 KL492 44-49098 43-044 KL521 44-49137 43-045 KL510 44-49116 BL-B 43-046 KL523 44-49140 43-047 KL534 44-49156 43-048 KL483 44-49081 43-049 KL516 44-49122 43-050 KL528 44-49148 43-051 KL486 44-49092 43-052 KL556 44-49199 43-053 KL515 44-49121 43-054 KL525 44-49144 43-055 KL563 44-49210 43-056 KL541 44-49163 43-057 KL536 44-49158 43-058 KL564 44-49212 43-059 KL508 44-49114 43-060 KL481 44-49076 43-061 KL546 44-49168 43-062 KL491 44-49097 43-063 KL547 44-49169 43-064 KL478 44-49066 43-065 KL543 44-49165 43-066 KL548 44-49170 178 Sqn, 205 Group 43-067 KL549 44-49171 178 Sqn, 205 Group 43-068 KL538 44-49160 43-069 KL545 44-49167 43-070 KL529 44-49150 or KL552 44-49217 43-071 KL557 44-49200 43-072 KL529? or KL552? 43-073 KL569 44-49220 43-074 KL540 44-49162 43-075 KL571 44-49223 43-076 KL530 44-49151 43-077 KL531 44-49026 43-078 KL537 44-49195 43-079 ? 43-080 ? 43-081 KL592 44-49689 43-082 KL597 44-49709 43-083 KL591 44-49686 43-084 KL599 44-49717 43-085 KL601 44-49729 43-086 KL594 44-49697 43-087 KL595 44-49701 43-088 KL600 44-49722 43-089 KL598 44-49713 43-090 KL596 44-49706 43-091 KL607 44-49978 43-092 KL621 44-49785 43-093 KL611 44-49765 43-094 KL635 44-49812 43-095 KL623 44-49790 43-096 KL649 44-49835 43-097 KL614 44-49774 43-098 KL627 44-49798 43-099 KL650 44-49836 43-100 KL618 44-49780 43-101 KL646 44-49831 43-102 KL632 44-49804 43-103 KL638 44-49819 43-104 KL616 44-49777 43-105 KL615 44-49758 43-106 KL641 44-49823 43-107 KL644 44-49828 43-108 KL629 44-49800 43-109 KL637 44-49815 43-110 KL618 44-49780 43-111 KL612 44-49769 43-112 KL620 44-49756 43-113 KL622 44-49757 43-114 KL619 44-49781 43-115 KL645 44-49830 43-116 KL636 44-49813 43-117 KL648 44-49834 43-118 KL633 44-49805 43-119 KL651 44-49842 43-120 KL613 44-49770 43-121 KL624 44-49755 43-122 KL625 44-49775 43-123 KL626 44-49794 43-124 KL628 44-49793 43-125 KL630 44-49762 43-126 KL639 44-49820 43-127 KL681 44-49833 43-128 KL647 44-49871 43-129 KL652 44-49903 43-130 KL654 44-49993 43-131 KL657 44-49766 43-132 KL658 44-49901 43-133 KL663 44-49959 43-134 KL664 44-49799 43-135 KL665 44-49787 43-136 KL666 44-49760 43-137 KL667 44-49782 43-138 KL669 44-49792 43-139 KL670 44-49898 43-140 KL672 44-49969 43-141 KL673 44-49761 43-142 KL676 44-49956 43-143 KL679 44-49802 43-144 KL682 44-49909 43-145 KL685 44-49998 |
Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.
Is the date of his first operation compatible with the arrival of KH252 in theatre (7.10.44)?
If not then EV911 could indeed be more appropriate. Oughton (Air Britain) list EV911 as serving with 159 but gives no code except later with 356 Sq as G. |
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