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Marc-André Haldimann 19th April 2013 08:52

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hamdullilah!
Flickr does obviously some maintenance at odd hours;-))


Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 27th April 2013 18:35

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi folks,

Among my sweep through the online Bundesarchiv photos, I found this one which is a real tough nut to crack:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

My interpretation, based on the camouflage pattern, is as follows: Bf 109 G-8 W.Nr 20. ..., NAGr. ?, France, Autumn 1944. Source: Bundesrachiv, PK Röderer, Bild 101I-496-3453-39A.

I would be grateful for any complementary information ...and confirmation;-))
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 3rd May 2013 10:41

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
ChristianK,

Just found thanks your thread revival of Bf 110 G-4 W.Nr 720 082 this good shot of Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 465 381:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625539886908

The picture was taken by 4 US Infantry Division 8th Infantry Regiment, no location given. Any chance to narrow down the location?

Cheers
Marc

ChristianK 3rd May 2013 10:51

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Sorry Marc, no idea...

Marc-André Haldimann 3rd May 2013 10:52

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Alas..

Danke Christian! Will try to track down where his unit was in April 1945...

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 8th May 2013 10:31

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks to Peter over on LEMB, another nice Bf 109 K-4 picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr 334 ... or 335 ..., unit unknown, Goslar, May 1945. Source: Ebay auction via LEMB Forum.

No tactical markings nor RV Band are to to be seen. Now which unit was operating from Goslar during the Spring 1945?

Thanks!
Marc

ouidjat 8th May 2013 15:39

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi Marc,

According Michael Holms site; only one (among fighter units) III./JG 27 until 8/4/45.
Not a lot but that's all I can do.

Cheers, Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 8th May 2013 16:31

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Merci beaucoup, Franck!

That gives us at east a clue: low vis RV band seen under that angle, dark tactical markings, add a tad of shine on the paint job, and there you have a perfectly anonymous Bf 109 K-4 when seen under that angle;-)) and which very well could be of 10./JG 27...

Cheers
Marc

Rasmussen 8th May 2013 16:40

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 166001)
Just found thanks your thread revival of Bf 110 G-4 W.Nr 720 082 this good shot of Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 465 381:

If the W.Nr. correct I doubt that's an G-14/AS.

Regards
Rasmussen

Marc-André Haldimann 8th May 2013 19:48

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
And you're probably right so, Jörn. I've checked again the picture and the W.Nr. 465 381 is fully legible; even the washed down "6" can be made out.

What can't even with the best good will, is the AS bulge: a propeller blade stands oddly at that particular place, combined with the shadow of the metallic roof.. Facit: W.Nr. is correct , and yes, it can by all means be a Bf 109 G-14. Any way to be positive about it?

Thanks
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 10th May 2013 15:49

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Help needed, folks!

I've just uploaded many Eastern front pics taken between 1943 and 1944. They are all stemming from the Bundesarchiv but are not searchable through their Internet portal. As they were published by Bryan Philpott way back in 1980, their caption does mainly not include either unit or location:

1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
4. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
5. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

6. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
7. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
8. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
9. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
10. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/


Thanks in advance for all your help
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 11th May 2013 22:46

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
And this time another challenge:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

and:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Are these two sets of two pics taken on the same airfield? If yes or no, which airfield(s)?

Cheers
Marc

S Sheflin 11th May 2013 23:58

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hello Marc,

My records indicate that Si204D, WNr. 221056, DG+PH, was found abandoned at Straubing. I think what you have are photos of that and the other aircraft before and after their destruction.

Steve Sheflin

ChristianK 12th May 2013 00:48

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
And I can say that this Bf 109 from KG(J) 55 was definitely photographed at Straubing. It becomes clear when you compare it to other photos from this location. Nothing more to add I am afraid, but there is a good chance that Steve is right with his assumption..

Marc-André Haldimann 12th May 2013 10:44

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Steve, Christian,

You really make my day! Many many thanks!
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 12th May 2013 19:45

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
As a follow-up, here another pic of Straubing, now easily recognizable thanks to you Steve ...and Siebel Si 204 W.Nr. 221056;-))
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Cheers
Marc

O.Menu 13th May 2013 00:25

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
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Marc, i m convinced that the already very known 109 nose from KG(J)55 and probably posted somewhere on your pages (got some difficulties to find it) is also from Straubing. Actually here you can see it's nose with a yellow nosed Fw190 backward which is part from a serie i believe pictured at Straubing. (it is probably different than yellow 25+I )

Marc-André Haldimann 13th May 2013 09:04

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Olivier,

I see very well which picture you mean... and I know I have it somewhere, but can't find it as well. Darn it! Given time, I will implement new sets by Gruppen and Geschwadern. This should enable an easier cross referencing...

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 14th May 2013 02:49

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Look at "Pilsen"

:)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631640684136

Not the same spiral on spinner comparing with "Gelbe 25". It seems we have three planes of KG(J)55, haven't we?

Regards, Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 14th May 2013 05:06

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Providential, you're providential;-))

Merci!
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 19th May 2013 12:21

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi there Gang,

A new challenge for yet another rainy Sunday: thanks to Peter, over on LEMB, we have a very nice shot of what I interpret as a WNF built Bf 109 G-14 "W-0+66" flown by 101 Vadaszezred in late 1944 or early 1945:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Note the three first digits of the W.Nr. at the usual WNF position, at the base of the fin. Though blurred I read 512. A confirmation as well the location of this landing mishap would be much appreciated!

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 21st May 2013 08:30

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Bonjour Marc,

I don't like the way Flickr did change the presentation of your page.
They did the same with Kemon01 too; I suppose it's a Global change and a complete nonsense even for everybody's page.
Comments aren't accessible except if opening the pictures one by one ...

We need to think to reopen the Yola account maybe - or something like that - and to put the document I kept with ALL thumbnails and links; but still no access to comments ... After 2 of June?

Cheers, Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 21st May 2013 13:22

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Salut Franck,

I only fleetingly could assess the damaged one. Will be back more thoroughly by tomorrow.

Cheers
Marc

Oberst 21st May 2013 16:37

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Marc,

Do you have a link for just the G-10's? I'm looking for III./JG 27 mounts in particular.

Marc-André Haldimann 21st May 2013 18:15

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hallo Oberst,

Scroll down to page 3 of sets, and there you have them, sorted out by producers.... No time yet to upload them by unit; this will be a future development.

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 10th June 2013 16:17

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi Gang,

Thanks to Peter over on LEMB, I uploaded some new pics from late war Bf 109's...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/9007237094/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

Among them are those two pics of a Bf 109 G-6 which camouflage is typical for Mtt-built Planes in the 163 xxx - 166 xxx W.Nr. range. Given the tactical marking type and the white Süd Front band, I would bet on an 2./NAGr. plane shot down somewhere in Italy, Spring 1944. I would much appreciate having all possible details on this particular plane;-))

Thanks in advance
Marc

ouidjat 10th June 2013 19:01

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Marc,

That plane got 20mm gondolae under wings; I doubt it was from one NAGr. something!! Don't you? :D
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4389

... Later: Given the very tight spiral on spinner I think about one JG 77 machine. Just a guess, nothing serious!!

Cheers, Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 10th June 2013 20:49

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Ah Franck,

The bigger the detail is, the less I see it... Thanks for your thorough look;-))

Much appreciated!
Marc

ouidjat 11th June 2013 00:38

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Y're the most welcome Marc.

Marc-André Haldimann 15th June 2013 22:17

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
A great set of 1944 - 1945 WNF factory pics has just been found by Peter, over on LEMB. Among them is this great sight of a Bf 109 G-10 being engine tested in deep snow, Winter 1944 - 1945...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

As for the others, taken between April and August 1944, I'm still looking for the W.Nr's of Bf 109 G-6 "PN+IY",
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57632867434203

Bf109 G-6 "DU+SL"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57632867434203

Bf 109 G-6 "PR+QS"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57632867434203

Fantastic that those images are still extent... and thanks for your help!

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 27th June 2013 03:44

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi Marc,

There is a problem here!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/9134691305/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/8964323028/

Cheers, Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 27th June 2013 07:29

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks Franck! The second is the good one... My mistake; with 2700+ pics, I keep on forgetting that some I find now are already onboard;-))

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 28th June 2013 10:50

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi Marc and Gents,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/9154893650/
auction here:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/RV-Jagdflugze...item51aeb37722

Bf 109 G-5, 9./JG 11 in Oldenburg. See LiF N°14, 2008, page 9.

Good flight Marc!
If I dare:
Since you're going in Colorado, can you go a little bit more southern, pay a visit to little Canyon area, visit Hopi territory and bring me back a KATSINA doll as souvenir?
Thank you very much ... for your understanding :D

Cheers to you both.

Franck.

PS: for this special circonstance I did change my avatar for a Katsina doll which stands in Phoenix museum: The JOKER!

Marc-André Haldimann 28th June 2013 11:08

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Great Franck!

Thanks very much. As for the doll, will stay north, by the Anaszasi's and the Navajos...

Cheers
Marc

rediron 14th July 2013 19:17

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 134844)
Hi there gang,

I started some ten months ago to reference and put online all known late war Bf 109 pictures which Werk Nummer are known; I took great care to give the reference when known.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/

They are all sorted out by subtypes to the best of my knowledge. The result is not really impressive: less then 400 W.Nr. known machines are illustrated out of the 10'000+ built. This leaves plenty of room for improvement, isn' it? All inputs are most welcome.

Finally, if you do feel a copyright has been infringed, please let me know and I will remove the pics from public view.

Cheers
Marc

Hi.
A comment on the first photo that shows in the link -Nice picture of a Bf with two pllots sitting on the fowling but perhaps more importantly the guy in back is Erich Hartmann.
Later
Rediron

ChrisS 14th July 2013 21:55

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Why do you say that? Physical resemblance or based on knowledge that Hartmann was at Mostar at the time?

:)

ouidjat 14th July 2013 22:10

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rediron (Post 169684)
Hi.
A comment on the first photo that shows in the link -Nice picture of a Bf with two pllots sitting on the fowling but perhaps more importantly the guy in back is Erich Hartmann.
Later
Rediron

Rediron,

Welcome down there. But instead of giving the general link, are you able to give the picture you're talking about link?

It will be better for all members and will help them to understand your meaning.

Regards, Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 14th July 2013 23:27

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
If not mistaken, Rediron, you're talking about this picture which, to my knowledge, does show Lt. Troebs from 1./NAGr 12 in Mostar. Here is the full caption of that pic, and sorry, Franck, I can't post the link from my smartphone... You'll find it easily in the Mostar set...

Bf 109 G-6/R2/Trop W.Nr. unknown "Weisse ?", Lt. Troebs, 1./NAGr. 12, Mostar, Spring 1944. Source: Collection Troebs via Mombeek 1997, p. 116.

Now which guy is Hartmann?

Cheers
Marc

rediron 15th July 2013 03:57

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 169697)
If not mistaken, Rediron, you're talking about this picture which, to my knowledge, does show Lt. Troebs from 1./NAGr 12 in Mostar. Here is the full caption if that pic, and sorry, Franck, I can't post the link from my smartphone... You'll find it easily in the Mostar set...

Bf 109 G-6/R2/Trop W.Nr. unknown "Weisse ?", Lt. Troebs, 1./NAGr. 12, Mostar, Spring 1944. Source: Collection Troebs via Mombeek 1997, p. 116.

Now which guy is Hartmann?

Cheers
Marc

Hi, I just went back and researched.photos of Hartmann, and I believe I was mistaken. At first look, it sure looked like him. Yes, that is the photo, and I am sorry for the mistake. The post was based on looks, not on knowledge. Of his location at the time. There is an excellent biography out there called "The Blond Knight of Germany". GREAT book.Later

ouidjat 15th July 2013 08:04

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Ah the first and only photo which appears when NOT loginin!!!
I look for a fowling ....
OK.
The man back is most probably Troebs Wart, No? But Hartmann, no way.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

Regards, Franck.


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