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Marc-André Haldimann 5th July 2015 13:39

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Many thanks Carl, for your kind help. Beyond the reasons for putting those brand new planes in storage, I still wonder where the pics were taken. Could it be Erfurt Nord ?

Thanks again
Marc

Charles Bavarois 5th July 2015 14:23

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Marc-André

IMHO it would be somewhat strange to ferry an aircraft intended for storage to an operational Luftwaffe airfield with no connection to Erla. Especially if the plane wasn't accepted by BAL or if I had no fuel at all.

I think, we should have a closer look on the airfields, which Erla used for final-manufacure or for acceptance flights in 1945. Again: Rasmussen may help us.

Cheers

Carl

Marc-André Haldimann 5th July 2015 14:47

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
You're absolutely correct, Carl. So let's wait for Rasmussen ;)

Cheers
Marc

Rasmussen 5th July 2015 15:14

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
An possibility could be Delitzsch. I know some a/c from the 152xxx-batch were ferried from there and they had 2 "Bogenbinderhallen" (maybe this the hangars on the picture but I don't know building plans from there).

Marc-André Haldimann 5th July 2015 15:41

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Many thanks, Jörg. Until proven otherwise, I'll go with this tentative location.

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 11th October 2015 17:44

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
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A great new Bf 109 G-6 shot, totally unknown...

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/cl...26497-582.html post #17448

IMHO, a WNF built Bf 109 G-6 in the W.Nr. 510xxx 511xxx batch. Tactical marking is "Weisse 5?". Any ideas about unit and location, bar the - obvious - fact this airfield was overrun in Germany, Spring 1945 ?

Thanks in advance
Marc

Skybert 14th October 2015 11:24

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Isn't it funny to see the guys at the Wrangler forum drooling allover the jeep and its exhaust stack and completely ignoring the Messerschmitt :-)
What gold is to some is worthless to others depending your filter and focus
Good catch Marc!

Falcon 14th October 2015 16:45

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
What is a "Wrangler"? I just see that a stupid guy was parking a damn car in front of that nice Messerschmitt before taking the picture. ;-)

ChrisS 17th October 2015 22:36

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
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Same issue here: beyond the SdKfz 251 and T-34/85 is......

Marc-André Haldimann 18th October 2015 11:05

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Most correct, Chris !

We have a here a sight form Havlíčkův Brod - Deutsch Brod, taken in Summer 1945. The foremost 109 is Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 51. ... "Gelbe 11", 3./JG 52, just behind and ajar, we have
Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 612 762 "Weisse 24", Jasta 5 der ROA. There are another 13 photos from this same constellation. Check them out here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631641455669

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 23rd December 2015 16:43

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi there Gang,

An exceptional find in the Fridhetsmuseum collections, part of the Nationalmuseet Denmark:

Ju 88 G-1 and Bf 109 G-14 , Denmark, May 1945. Source: Nationalmuseet Denmark, inv. FHM-15367
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...in/photostream

IMHO, this shot was made in Kastrup. Any confirmation or contradiction ? Thanks in advance

Cheers
Marc

sidney 24th December 2015 00:12

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hallo Marc,

for your III./JG 4 query: Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 ..., III./JG 4, Jüterbog-Damm (?), March 1945. Source: eBay auction via Facebook.com.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7640118646745/

I have what I believe is the original handwriting on the back of the photo – Drewitz?

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...hlight=drewitz

Regards,
Sinisa

Marc-André Haldimann 25th December 2015 09:57

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Great news Sinisa! Many thanks.

Cheers
Marc

David E. Brown 25th December 2015 17:46

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Marc,

The Ju88G-1 is WNr.712344, "D9+we.PH" of 1./NJG 7 found at Kopenhagen-Kastrup in May 1945.

Cheers, and Merry Christmas to all.

David

Marc-André Haldimann 25th December 2015 19:50

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
David,

Thanks for your magnificent Christmas gift ! So this is then definitely Kopenhagen-Kastrup, and we have a full identified Ju 88 G-1! Brilliant, thanks for your informations1

Cheers and Merry Christmas to all too
Marc

edNorth 26th December 2015 00:01

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Ju 88 G-1 known since 2009 on TOCH! forum, note no radar antennas
and "White-Wash" camo (thin White spray over Light Gray).
MC & HNY
-Ed

Marc-André Haldimann 31st December 2015 07:26

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
And here we go with an absolute rarity: A photo of the Erla Heiderblick factory with Bf 109 K-4 fuselages, seen in May 1945.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...in/dateposted/

Source: eBay auction, with all my thanks to Tomas Prusa for the pointer. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-14-Ph...AAAOSwSdZWhBIj

Cheers, with all my wishes for a great 2016!
Marc

lumabe 25th January 2016 11:26

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hello Marc-André,

Happy new year.

Please tell me: your flickr's pages were lost ? The flickr site web said: " pages introuvables ".

Best regards,

Lumabe.

lumabe 5th February 2016 10:05

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hello Marc-André,

You come back ! I like you're Messerschmit's collection of pictures. You have the best web site about this powerfull plane.

Thank you very much.

Lumabe.

Marc-André Haldimann 7th March 2016 00:34

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi there Gang,

I was kindly provided today by Martin Reiher, son of Uffz. Gerhard Reiher, from 8./JG 3, with a picture of an Erla built Bf 109 G-10, flown by his father in late 1944 - early 1945.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...in/dateposted/

The machine is said to be "Blaue 2" and the W.Nr. is partially legible. After scrutinizing it to the best of my ability, I read xx1617 which would point to W.Nr. 491617. Any known losses for this W.Nr. batch ? Any details on this particular machine ?

Thanks in advance
Marc

Charles Bavarois 7th March 2016 20:12

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hello Marc-André,

a beautiful picture indeed, a perfect late 1944 G-10 from Erla.

Werknummer 491617 does not fit, as this Werknummernblock ends at 491530.
There was a 490617 with BAL 5th November 1944 and a 151617 with BAL 5th February 1945 and damaged 19th Febuary 1945 with KG (J) 6.

Greeting

Carl

Marc-André Haldimann 7th March 2016 21:14

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Ah, great information again, Carl!

After checking again the picture, there is more then a fair chance that the actual W.Nr. is 490 617 indeed. Given the angle of the plane regarding the photographer, the 9 and the 0 do look merged together...

Thanks again for your highly valued help !

Cheers
Marc

Nick Beale 7th March 2016 21:47

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 215322)
Hi there Gang,

I was kindly provided today by Martin Reiher, son of Uffz. Gerhard Reiher, from 8./JG 3, with a picture of an Erla built Bf 109 G-10, flown by his father

Marc

I'm a little concerned that the engine is running but the cockpit appears to be empty!

Marc-André Haldimann 7th March 2016 22:32

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Nick,

Don't you worry ! One can see the top of the head - with Mütze - of Reiher's Erster Wart, who scrutinizes his engine gauges...

Cheers
Marc

Rasmussen 7th March 2016 22:37

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 215386)
After checking again the picture, there is more then a fair chance that the actual W.Nr. is 490 617 indeed.

Quite sure that's an a/c in the 490xxx- and/ or 491xxx-range ... it had the small wing bulges and the position of W.Nr. say it was delivered before the end of Dezember 1944.

#817: the correct spelling was "Heiterblick" (was the Werk I).

Marc-André Haldimann 7th March 2016 22:40

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Many thanks Jörg, for your insight

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 8th March 2016 14:47

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks Marc,

This is the proof one has to be patient to be reputed as a great site manager ! ;)...
Takes only 6 years :)
Congratulations bro'

Cheers, Franck.

PS: did you get a copyright to publish it like that ??? Hum? Ah ah ah ...

Marc-André Haldimann 8th March 2016 15:19

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
You're welcome, Franck. As for the copyright, no worries: this batch of images was posted on my flickr pages at the direct request of Martin Reiher, son of Gerhard Reiher, the former 8./JG 3 Flugzeugführer.

Cheers
Marc

Rémi Baudru 25th March 2016 22:50

Me 109 G14 Kroat
 
Bonjour,
You have recently added to the galery a photo of a Kroat Me 109.
The new photo shows the G14 "black 10" (not the G14 AS plane "black 4").
Best regards.
RB

Marc-André Haldimann 26th March 2016 22:11

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hello Rémi !

You're thinking of this picture ?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...in/dateposted/

If confirmed, thanks for the correction.

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 26th March 2016 22:33

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi there Gang,

Thanks to Tomas Prusa, over on FB and stemming from modleforum.cz, we have this picture of another Erla built G-6 with two interesting features:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...in/dateposted/

1. We have the Erla factory W.Nr. painted under the handgrip next to the rear cockpit: I read 44'234. Any concordance with an RLM W.Nr. ?

2. The three digits yellow tactical marking are known both for JG 102, JG 104 and JG 106. Any clues as to which unit used the 3xx numbering system ?

Thanks in advance
Marc

Rasmussen 26th March 2016 23:02

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Why 44234? For sure I can read 442xx only not more ...

The 44234 belonged to an G-14 and was destroyed in November 1944 for 100%. So it couldn't found by American troops in May 1945.

Marc-André Haldimann 26th March 2016 23:03

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks Jörg,

Any other candidates in that W.Nr. range ?

Cheers
Marc

Falcon 26th March 2016 23:22

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
I like your fantasy to read WNr.'s, Marc. :-)

D.B. Andrus 27th March 2016 00:21

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Marc

When I click on link I get
Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 782 104



...not Erla G-6.


Hope my computer is not kaput.


D.B.

Falcon 27th March 2016 08:19

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Original link:
http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Dug...tured.jpg.html

Marc-André Haldimann 27th March 2016 11:42

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Ah D.B. this is all about mixing up two themes. Falcon gave us the original link to the pic discussed as an Erla G-6.

Thanks to Tomas Prusa, here is the page from where this photo emanated; obviously one from the NARA collection.
http://axis-and-allies-paintworks.co...wtopic.php?388

Cheers
Marc

D.B. Andrus 27th March 2016 18:48

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thank you, Falcon & Marc.

Cheers,

D.B.

Marc-André Haldimann 20th April 2016 01:00

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi there Gang,

We have a string of new Bf 109 G-6 pics here:

Beyond saying the basics (Bf 109 G-6/R6 with a tall antenna mast) which allows to date those pics from the Summer of 1943, no clear evidence for the unit.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...in/photostream
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...n/photostream/

This one comes a bit better off: probably "Schwarze 5" from 5./JG ? Any ideas about location and unit ?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...n/photostream/

The last one is more of a Sütterlin reading issue: a Mtt-Regensburg built Bf 109 G-6 which tactical number "Grüne 674" does ring a bell for 6./JG 104. If not totally mistaken, this pic might have been taken at Roth in July 1944 (According to caption).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...n/photostream/

Any precision would be greatly appreciated ;)

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 9th February 2017 19:44

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi there Gang,

We have for a change two new pictures of a WNF built Bf 109 G-14 which W.Nr. 510xxx is probably legible on the original on sale here:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Jagdflugzeug-...MAAOSwfVpYnEM5

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Jagdflugzeug-...kAAOSwOgdYnEM8

The scene speaks for one of the pine forests near Berlin and clothing of the Staffel members does set the period in September - October 1944.

Any ideas about location and unit ?

Cheers
Marc


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