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Harrie

11th July 2019 13:18

Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

Hello,

Can anyone provide me with details about the crew and mission ?.
I,ve got a report from Feldluftpark 5/111 Holland date 8-1--43 wich described von feindflug gegen England nicht zuruck. date 3-1-43
Werknr 4314 Kennzeichen U5 +KT 38 starts and KG2 .But no further info.

Thank,s in advance

Harrie

Chris Goss

11th July 2019 13:34

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

Target Hull, hit by Flak, crash-landed and burnt out by crew at Out Newton, Yorkshire 2120 hrs. Uffz Anton Ries, Ogefr Horst Küster, Uffz Arno Salz & Uffz Alfred Muschiol all POW

Harrie

11th July 2019 17:38

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

Hi Chris,

Thank you very much for fast reply and information much appreciated !
This crew was very Lucky for made an crash-landing in unknown enemy terrain ,and surviving all .

Harrie

ghostwriter

11th July 2019 18:45

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

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hello harrie,
someone has a typo ...

"Reis" not "Ries"!?

source: http://www.aircrewremembered.com/Kra.../?q=Reis+Anton

regards
ghost

Chris Goss

11th July 2019 19:30

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

According to Balke and LCA Vol 10 Ries

ghostwriter

11th July 2019 19:58

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

chris,
according to https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=202513

Quote:

Crew (all captured):
Uffz Anton Reis (pilot)
Obgfr Horst Kuster (observer)
Uffz Arno Salz (radio)
Uffz Alfred Muschiol (flying engineer)

...

Sources:

“Der Luftkrieg in Europa: die operativen Einsätze des Kampfgeschwaders 2 im Zweiten Weltkrieg”, by Ulf Blake. ISBN 3-7637-5882-8

b.r.
ghostwriter

Merlin

11th July 2019 20:21

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

His name was Anton Ries as written by Balke. The same writing is recorded for a crash on 19.08.42 with 5./KG 2.

Rottler

11th July 2019 20:24

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

Gen.Qu. loss return 5 Jan 1943 item 131:
F Uffz Ries, Anton.

Regards
Leo

ghostwriter

11th July 2019 22:49

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

i am inclined to believe you all ...
but then why are all these sources wrong!?

Quote:

As with all Luftwaffe losses in Yorkshire I would direct anyone with an interest to Bill Norman's book "Broken Eagles". There is also a good account of this incident in Paul Bright's exceptional book "Air War over East Yorkshire in World War II".

Pilot - Uffz Anton Reis. PoW.
Observer - Obgfr Horst Kuster. PoW.
Wireless Operator - Uffz Arno Salz. PoW.
Mechanic - Uffz Alfred Muschiol. PoW.

source: http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/...rk43/u5kt.html

regards
ghost

Stig Jarlevik

12th July 2019 00:32

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314

A pretty good reason Ghost is that you are quoting second hand sources while our friends Gerhard and Leo are quoting or know first hand sources.

You even quote a third hand source here, the aviation safety net, which can't even quote a second hand source correct, namely Ulf Balke.

Also Ulf Balke has always struck me as a very serious researcher, so quoting him directly is also pretty safe to do.

When using second or third hand sources the risk for faults increase and without knowing from where your quoted sources has taken their details I am inclined to believe far more in Chris, Gerhard and Leo.

Cheers
Stig

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