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rickback4444 25th August 2012 12:44

Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
Hi,

Can anyone provide details of the loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger who was killed on the night of the 5th November 1943? He was a Nachtjager.

Please see his sterbebild below for further details.

Thanks as always

Rick

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Sterbebild-Ge...rwg~~60_12.JPG

Matti Salonen 25th August 2012 13:46

Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
1943-11-05, 7./NJG 200, Ju 88C-6, 720074, 1 km südlich Seibolsdorf, Neuburg/Donau, Absturz infolge Bedienungsfehler. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Preisinger, Alois, +
Bordfunker Fw Büttner, Wilhelm, +
Bordmechaniker Flg Schwingenschlögl, Ferdinand, +
GQM gives 720014, but it seems to be outside any known WNr.-block.

Matti

ianatheling 25th August 2012 15:16

Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
This may not be important but I note that the WNr. 720074 was carried by a Bf 110G-4. NJG 200 certainly had Bf 110Gs, but I am not sure about 7./NJG200. Could this perhaps have been a Bf110 which was incorrectly listed as a Ju88C-6 simply on the basis that most other aircraft in this staffel were Ju 88C-6s?

I don't have any other details on the Bf110 720074.

Ian

Matti Salonen 25th August 2012 16:36

Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
I still believe, that Ju 88C-6, WNr. 720074 is correct. It is from NVM and therefore more reliable than GQM info. Also Bf 110G-4, WNr. 720074 of 3./NJG 3 was destroyed 1944-04-27 and Bf 110G-4, WNr. 720014 of 5./NJG 102 was destroyed 1944-07-19.

Matti

ianatheling 25th August 2012 17:07

Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
Thanks Matti for ruling out the Bf110, it was hopefully useful to remove this an explanation for the curious WNr.

Ian

ArtieBob 25th August 2012 19:02

Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
This is not a particularly curious W.Nr. for a Ju 88C-6. The 720xxx block was correct for a small group of Nachbau Ju 88 C-6s assembled in late 1943. This block was the only group of Ju 88 fighters not assembled by JFM FZB (Bernburg) or one of its dispersal sites.

Best Regards,

Artie Bob

Matti Salonen 25th August 2012 20:46

Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
Based on Verlustmeldungen, it seems, that at least the following Ju 88C-6 aircraft were in 720xxx block:
720074 - 720120
720321 - 720326.
Therefore I suggested, that 720014 from GQM cannot be correct and 720074 from NVM is correct.

Matti

ArtieBob 26th August 2012 13:59

Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
I did not have my spreadsheet available when I posted yesterday. Now have access and there are two other entries for W.Nr.720014, so I believe it is valid. I have also cross-checked the number of entries for this block (720xxx) against the Monatsmeldung totals and they balance out pretty well.

Best Regards,

Artie Bob

Jim P. 27th August 2012 23:35

Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943
 
I have two others captured in Norway from this WNr. block -

Ju 88C-6, 720011, ./., , IV., 11., ZG 26, , , , , 08-May-45, Captured EOW., , Norwegen, SIG LW Homepage, , Fl.Pl. Gardermoen, , F, , ,
Ju 88C-6, 720012, ./., , IV., 11., ZG 26, , , , , 08-May-45, Captured EOW., , Norwegen, SIG LW Homepage, , Fl.Pl. Gardermoen, , F, , ,


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