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Ferreira 24th August 2012 12:31

3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
Hi,

I'm doing research on the use of Focke-Achgelis Fa 330. I found that it (with Flettner Fl 282) was used in a small unit, 3./
BFGr. 196 for training in Kiel-Holtenau and Pillau-Marshafen, in 1943-44.

This unit was subordinated to Marinegruppe Ost? Or some Luftflotte?


Best regards,


Franklin


RT 24th August 2012 13:34

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
This unit used the FA 330 to train personel in sept/oct 1943 for the "Elsaß",

Rémi

Steve Coates 24th August 2012 16:36

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
The unit effectively provided tactical training for the Kriegsmarine's Bachstelzenfliger as an adjunct to the training given by the Segelflugausbildungsstelle der Luftwaffe at Gelnhausen. This is covered in my book 'Helicopters Of The Third Reich'.

RT 24th August 2012 16:44

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
"Elsaß" hv to be a ship used for training , multi-purpose training ,catapulting also ??


Rémi

Ferreira 24th August 2012 16:45

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
Thank you for the reply, Steve.

This unit was subordinated to Marinegruppe Ost? Or some Luftflotte?

Franklin

Steve Coates 24th August 2012 19:37

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
Franklin - To be honest, I don't recall having seen much detail on the reporting line. The dissolution of the unit was handled under the auspices of Lufflotte Reich. I should probably also add that a significant amount of the unit's direction came via the General der Luftwaffe beim Oberbefehlshaber der Marine.

Remi - The MS Elsaß (Alsace) was a captured French minesweeper.

ju55dk 25th August 2012 15:15

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
Chain of command. see attached file. As for MS Elsaß, it was a captured french ferry that was converted to a minelayer, by Kriegsmarine.

Junker

RT 25th August 2012 19:08

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
That means that the crews of 3.196 were used to man the submarines nd small vessels fitted with FA 330, quite logical indeed :)

Rémi

Ferreira 26th August 2012 00:57

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
Junker, Steve and Rémi, thank you!

:bow:

ju55dk 26th August 2012 08:10

Re: 3./Bordfliegergruppe 196, 1943-1944
 
And a photo of Elsaß with Bachstelze-pad.

Junker


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