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veltro 30th October 2011 01:28

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Oberst,

sorry to nitpick, but I've gone through all the pages of the publication you quote and there is no trace of a G-10 there (if you exclude the close-up of Hartmann next to his last (?) Erla-built G-10 on page 119, but it's of very low quality nonetheless...*).

Could you then precise your source for the photo of W.Nr. 610 583 ?

BTW, the plane doing the head-on low pass was the late G-6 W.Nr.166221 flown by Hartmann in late summer of 1944 and shown also on foot of the same page 111. Contrary to what the caption says, it had the aerial mast, only that in the early versions of 'Erla hood" the mast was part of the canopy, fixed to the rear rim and opening to the right with it.

*(here's a better though small version)
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/235063-2..._1-Hartmann%23

Oberst 30th October 2011 02:35

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
No worries, if I'm not corrected, then how can I learn? I looked through all 130 pages of the book I mentioned and yep.. can't find W.Nr.610 583. I know I seen it somewhere, I'll have to hunt more.

Awesome picture you posted, I seen somewhere somebody said it was a fake! But obviousely its authentic.

*EDIT*

Pg.49 of JaPo Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10/U4 is where I seen 'black 1' W.Nr.610 583, Unfortunately I was looking at the wrong A/C. One can see the Hakenkreuze on the fin, but its hard to tell whether or not it has the white outline...

veltro 30th October 2011 22:52

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberst (Post 136570)
Pg.49 of JaPo Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10/U4 is where I seen 'black 1' W.Nr.610 583, Unfortunately I was looking at the wrong A/C. One can see the Hakenkreuze on the fin, but its hard to tell whether or not it has the white outline...

In fact the tail of "black 1" cannot be seen clearly in any of the images...

So, I guess that you owe some little excuses to Steve Sheflin for the definition "...Me 109G-10/U4 'black 1' W.Nr.610 583 of II./JG 52 also has the fabled white outlined Hakenkreuze...".

Here no one owns any certainties, especially when dealing with Bf 109s and, IMHO, your tone may have been mistaken (I'm sure without intentions) a bit sarcastic with no reason.

If I am wrong, I ask you to forgive me in advance, but - as you already said - we are all here to learn and misunderstandings can be an useless waste of time and serenity.

Oberst 31st October 2011 00:00

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
That was not my intent. My most sincere appologies if I wrote it in that way.

As far as the pics, like I said before I was looking at the wrong aircraft. Again, my appologies for the confusion on my part.

veltro 31st October 2011 01:40

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
FWIW, I did appreciate your reply. Thanks.

Oberst 31st October 2011 15:18

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
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Diana built perhaps. IMO the camouflage seems to agree. I could be wrong though. It looks also to have a combination of RLM 75/83.

Oberst 8th November 2011 15:38

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
WNF-built Bf 109G-10 W.Nr.610 487 was flown by Heinz Ewald of II./JG52. Theres suspose to be a foto of it in one of the Kagero books that show a white outlined Hakenkreuz. Long shot but can anybody confirm? I do not know which Kagero book. Thanks.

ouidjat 29th May 2012 12:49

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Just nice site Marc!

Marc-André Haldimann 29th May 2012 19:40

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks Franck,

I try to keep the ball rolling. Just for testing your eyes, try to figure out an unknown Bf 109 K-4 in the latest pic I uploaded ;-))

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 31st May 2012 15:12

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi Marc,

In the scraps? With a 10 000 magnified lense?... No thanks! :).
But five last pictures!!!! Hummm! Tasty! Crunchy ...

No news for the moment concerning Lion's harbor, will check the planes whatever; should be possible for a fast trip.
Some Bf 109 find down there? I don't think so; but bring some pictures and cheese with you; the hard one ... I miss it ... Who knows? ;).

Cheers, Franck.


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