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ChrisS 4th March 2013 21:00

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
magyarmesszer

Great collection of photos and the parts photos' are very helpful.

Regards

Chris

Marc-André Haldimann 10th March 2013 21:14

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
And here my tentative ID for this Bf 109 G, just found by Peter over on LEMB:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
Bf 109 G-8 W.Nr. 20x xxx "Schwarze 16", 2./NAG ?, location unknown, Germany, Autumn 1944. Source: Ebay auction via LEMB Forum.

Any precisions about unit and location?
Thanks in advance
Marc

Pilot 10th March 2013 21:31

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Is this cropped image?

Marc-André Haldimann 10th March 2013 21:52

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Yes Srecko; the full image does only show the sky above.... It can be seen on LEMB at this thread, post 65:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...opic=14798&hl=

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 10th March 2013 22:42

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
As for the location, it was...on the Ebay auction itself: Zichenau - Ciechanów, Eastern Prussia, 1944:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Me-109-Jagd-F...ht_1024wt_1378

Now remains the BIG question of the unit...

Cheers
Marc

Nick Beale 10th March 2013 23:08

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Excuse my ignorance but how did you conclude that it's a G-8. Is there a feature I should have spotted?

Marc-André Haldimann 10th March 2013 23:42

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Hello Nick,

The camouflage is my only lead; the very dense overspraying of the rear fuselage behind the Balkenkreuz is a feature always noted on all WNF produced G-8's. Now look to the Hakenkreuz: you have the usual RLM 76 only surrounding; the W.Nr. itself, painted in thin big numerals around and under the over-sprayed Hakenkreuz cannot be seen due to the tail being slightly out of focus.

Agreed, the definitive proof of this machine being a G-8 is missing; still, comparing among all the G-8's on my Flickr pages, one can see IMHO the commonness of their WNF specifically applied camouflage.

Cheers
Marc

John Beaman 11th March 2013 17:33

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 163494)
Excuse my ignorance but how did you conclude that it's a G-8. Is there a feature I should have spotted?

If Marc is correct about the start of the WNr as 20xxxxx, then it is a G-8.

Nick Beale 11th March 2013 18:06

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Beaman (Post 163532)
If Marc is correct about the start of the WNr as 20xxxxx, then it is a G-8.

That much I do know (although many such were still described as G-6 in German signals) but I couldn't make out a Werk Nummer on the photo and without that or the camera windows I was stuck for clues. The MG 131s seem to be present; had they not been there, it would have been a good pointer to a G-8, many of which had their armament reduced to a single MG 151/20 (e.g. in service with 4. and 5.(F)/123).

Marc-André Haldimann 11th March 2013 22:01

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
John,

I wish I could be correct... But Nick has it right: nothing to be seen in the slightly out of focus tailplane... So no definitive clue.

My point was really camouflage orientated as the recurring heavy blotching of the rear fuselage and the RLM 76 undersurface around the Hakenkreuz are a common feature for all W.Nr. identified Bf 109 G-8's:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625536800422 W.Nr. 200 041
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625536800422 W.Nr. 200 265
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625536800422 W.Nr. 200 2xx

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625536800422
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625536800422W.Nr. 201 143

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625536800422 W.Nr. 201 765
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625536800422 W.Nr. 202 113

This said, no way to be 100% sure... And thanks, Nick, for the lead about the absence/presence of MG 131's. I wasn't aware of that.

Cheers
Marc


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