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ouidjat 25th March 2013 13:43

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi Unikum,
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeug...item4171cf488f is a Bf 109 E!

Marc-André Haldimann 7th April 2013 19:31

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Back from a field trip in Jordan, folks!

Thanks Unikum, your links are always appreciated. And sure, Franck, the legend of the Ebay seller was misleading and the Bf 109 E is much mauled;-))

And now for something new on my side:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

I just found this screen capture from a film offered for sale, thanks to pixpast.com. It is a hitherto unknown color film showing Bf 109 G-10 "Weisse 15", 1./JG ? It is obviously an Erla produced machine as the postion of its W.Nr. shows. Given the typical camouflage this plane is probably in the 490 xxx or 491 xxx W.Nr. range. Any ideas as to which unit and which airfield?

Thanks in advance
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 11th April 2013 07:25

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
And a tremendous find, thanks to Peter D. Evans, over on LEMB:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/8637750897/
Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr unknown "Weisse ?", 9./JG 4, Jüterbog-Damm (?), March 1945 (?).

Source: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Super-Privat-...-/160991999282
Any ideas as to the emblem seen on the engine cowling?

A real wow picture, the next one which will securely break again the 1'000 Euros barrier...
Marc

ouidjat 11th April 2013 14:20

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
:D hello Marc,

Emblem is quite amazing; normally it's the following one but, still I have doubts I think it doesn't match that 100%.
Hence, I prefer to let you judge ...

For the price ... well it's a little bit blurred but who knows?

Cheers, Franck.

PS: Pictures in attachment come from an old LEMB thread.

Marc-André Haldimann 11th April 2013 23:35

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Salut Franck,

Thanks for those crisp and clear shots of the helmet emblem. The pic is too fuzzy to be sure of the emblem sported by this K-4, but it sure looks similar. Great to see altogether that emblems were still painted this late in the war... Not an uncommon practice, as we can see other emblems either for JG 53 as shown also by this machine:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592
Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. unknown "Gelbe 9", IV./JG 53, Germany, March 1945. Source: 644 Tank destroyer battalion website.

or the well known Neuruppin set of pictures showing JG 77 K-4's sporting their unit emblem...

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 12th April 2013 00:03

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
thanks to Peter over on LEMB, we have a real frenzy of new Bf 109 K-4 pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WWI...-/111050103384

From what I gather, two Bf 109 K-4's. The one in the foreground is "Schwarze ?", 6./JG ?; the second seen from the left rear three quarters is devoid of any markings and sports the camouflage pattern characteristic for the W.Nr. 331 xxx - 332 xxx blocks. Any idea about the location?

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 12th April 2013 01:27

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Hi Marc,

scroll down as usual: BAD LIPPSPRINGE, GERMANY, 4/45. PHOTO TAKEN BY 95TH INFANTRY DIVISION GI AFTER BATTLE OF METZ.

Thanks for the picture Marc.
Who said "we aren't going to have new pictures!" ?

Just a question: Sure that the plane in foreground is a Bf 109 K-4????? It's blurred, we see nothing on wing BUT I see that the battery aperture in cockpit area is not squared, for me it's not: G-14/AS or G-10 but not a K-4.

Cheers, Franck.

Marc-André Haldimann 12th April 2013 09:00

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thanks, Franck, as ever. And I concur: seen in the daylight, "Schwarze 6" is an obvious Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS in the W.Nr. 78x xxx production batch.

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 12th April 2013 12:07

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
As for the Bf 109 K-4 "Gelbe 6", I've put on line a blow-up of this machine:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Examining the rear fuselage, I've the conviction there is a light colored RV Band. Unfortunately partially blurred by the overlying clear plastic sheet, it is either a uniform light color, pointing towards 3./JG 3, or a three segmented light color band, pointing then towards either 3./JG 2 or 3./JG 300.

JG 2 can be pretty safely be excluded as it wasn't flying any Bf 109 K-4's. This leaves us with either JG 3 or JG 300. The uniform low tonality of the rear fuselage behind the Balkenkreuz points more towards a JG 3 white RV Band. Having just checked in Prien and Rodeike, only III./JG 3 did fly from 18 December 1944 onwards Bf 109 K-4's. Given the low contrast between yellow and white, there could be a III./Gruppe vertical bar, maybe to be discerned on the original. I would thus cautiously suggest a 11./JG 3 machine, without totally excluding one of the rare Bf 109 K-4's flown between March and April 1945 by III. or IV./JG 300.

Let's hope that the happy deep pocketed buyer of this pic will generously share the details of the rear fuselage;-))

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 12th April 2013 14:15

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 165004)
Thanks, Franck, as ever. And I concur: seen in the daylight, "Schwarze 6" is an obvious Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS in the W.Nr. 78x xxx production batch.
Cheers
Marc

Normal, You're my friend.
Believe me my hand was shaking with Ferdinando in rear guard since he was logged in at the same time. (Quite late for him!)
But it's OK; I'm quite satisfied.

Regards, Franck.


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