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O.Menu 9th May 2005 23:28

Slight update to JG 301 late markings
 
You know all usual markings to indicate the groups in Luftwaffe:

I groups +
II group + -
III group + I
IV groups + ~

Only here, in the book of Willi Reschke (3) one discovers p 232 Bf 109G-10 "1 red?" IV./JG301 with a not outlined horizontal bar which however dissociates bands of fuselages red & yellow all, while not being neither white nor black!

One remembers the only photograph then showing the operational Ta 152 in Alteno. It is known that before to be gathered to GeschwaderStab they were delivered only to the III./JG 301. And yet they carry also a horizontal bar, probably yellow.

I push research and discovers (3 & 4) that Fw 190 of R.Kleinstück of the 2./JG301 carries a white horizontal bar, and (3) that Ta 152 of Reschke (13 black?) pictured after it was transferred to GeschwaderStab carries also a horizontal bar which is neither red, yellow, white, nor black.

Finally this horizontal bar, sight on practically all the planes of the JG301 also carrying the yellow & red fuselage band, should be either black or of the color of Staffel but is not it curiously often: Fw 190D-9 "12 white" (6) and A-8 "21 white" (2) with a red bar, Fw 190A "20 green" (1) and "8 yellow" (5) with a white bar...

The conclusion of all this, is that at least as long as the JG 301 comprised 4 groups of hunting, therefore from December 44 to Mars/Avril 1945, they were all marked of a horizontal bar of a color specific to each group:

I first thought for an identical order of color has that of Staffeln was:
GeschwaderStab: + - (green bar)
I groups + - (white bar)
II group + - (red bar)
III group + - (yellow bar)
IV group + - (blue bar)

But I have just discovered that the Ta 152 restored with the NASM (7) carries a blue bar, therefore finally the marks of group were:
GeschwaderStab./JG 301 + - (blue bar)
I./JG 301 + - (white bar)
II./JG 301 + - (red bar)
III./JG 301 + - (yellow bar)
IV./JG 301 + - (green bar)

# SUMMARY CHART OF MARKINGS OF THE JG 301:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._expected4.jpg

# ILLUSTRATIONS, thanks to the simulator European Air War (probably still one of the whole better):

GeschwaderStab./JG301:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...152-green9.jpg

I./JG301:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Doc/IJG301.jpg

II./JG301:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...oc/IIJG301.jpg

III./JG301:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...c/IIIJG301.jpg

IV./JG301:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Doc/109G10.jpg

# Sources:
(1) - Aircraft of the Luftwaffe fighter aces II - Bernd Bored - Schiffer
(2) - Internet
(3) - Jagdgeschwader 301/302 "Wilde Sau" - Willi Reschke - Schiffer
(4) - JG 301 "Wilde Saw" - Murawski & Neuwerth - Kagero N19
(5) - Luftwaffe At war 6 - "defeat in the west 1943-1945"
(6) - Cutting Edge Decals Advanced Research Series CED 72051 and CED 4801
(7) - http://www.geocities.com/ta152uk/Restoration_2.html

MENU Olivier (LLv34_Doc) - France - February 14, 2005 + updated of May 9, 2005.
email: llv34doc@wanadoo.fr

gibsonfndr 29th July 2005 08:59

Re: Slight update to JG 301 late markings
 
the only pic I know of jg 301 stab planes doesn't really seem to show a horizontal bar of any sort ... or there seem to be something but it is barely visible and only one one half of the yello/red band ... would that it "it" ? a blue bar ?

gibsonfndr 29th July 2005 09:15

Re: Slight update to JG 301 late markings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.Menu

One remembers the only photograph then showing the operational Ta 152 in Alteno. It is known that before to be gathered to GeschwaderStab they were delivered only to the III./JG 301. And yet they carry also a horizontal bar, probably yellow.



But I have just discovered that the Ta 152 restored with the NASM (7) carries a blue bar, therefore finally the marks of group were:
GeschwaderStab./JG 301 + - (blue bar)
I./JG 301 + - (white bar)
II./JG 301 + - (red bar)
III./JG 301 + - (yellow bar)
IV./JG 301 + - (green bar)






is it the pic we're talking about ?

ta 152

O.Menu 5th August 2005 18:20

Re: Slight update to JG 301 late markings
 
Hi gibsonfndr,

I believe your pict being from III./JG 301 at Alteno

This is the Stab picts i m speaking about, showing the Stab blue horizontal bar, previously overpainted and so never show on any photo, profiles nor any model kit up to now!
http://www.geocities.com/ta152uk/Restoration_2.html


Here my first post from February
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...&highlight=301


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