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Mark Proulx

11th August 2007 22:09

He 111 W.Nr. 2149

I am looking for info on a He 111 with what appears to be W.Nr 2149. I don't need to know the codes, I can see that. My biggest problem is trying to ID the type. Photos are from an angle that makes it impossible to tell if it is an H or a P. Can anyone clear up this W.Nr. mystery and tell me from the W.Nr. what kind of He 111 I am looking at?

Thanks

Mark Proulx

wiegand

11th August 2007 23:49

Re: He 111 W.Nr. 2149

Hi Mark,

Can you post a picture covering any view of the bow?

David Ransome

12th August 2007 00:01

Re: He 111 W.Nr. 2149

Hi,

It was a P-2, failed to return from Ostfront sortie on 11 July 1941 whilst with Gesch Stab / KG55 coded G1+JA.

Lt Karl Doppelhammer (pilot), Fw Fritz Breuig (observer), Fw Herbert Schultze (W/T operator), Gef Max Wied (engineer) and Gef Anton Munster (gunner) all missing.

Regards,

David

Mark Proulx

12th August 2007 00:39

Re: He 111 W.Nr. 2149

David:

Thanks very much for the info. Can I ask the source of the information? BTW my photos are of the rear of the aircraft and the engines or cockpit area can't be seen.

Mark Proulx

steve sheridan

12th August 2007 00:46

Re: He 111 W.Nr. 2149

Mark / David,
this a/c had been on strength with 3/KG55 previously, in early 1940.
Would have been coded G1+?L
If anybody can add to this aircrafts earlier service, id be pleased to hear from them.

Best regs,
Steve.

Mark Proulx

12th August 2007 00:53

Re: He 111 W.Nr. 2149

Hi:

I just took another look at the photo. Indeed, the aircraft appears to be coded G1+JL. I still assume it to be a P-2 given the W.Nr.

So, now we seem to have some conficting information here on this aircraft.

Mark Proulx

David Ransome

12th August 2007 11:04

Re: He 111 W.Nr. 2149

Hi Mark,

Is the aircraft photo showing the aircraft crashed? If it is then the information is conflicting and it could be that the aircraft, although used as part of Gesch Stab flight, may not have had it's codes changed - as frequently seems to have happened. If not crashed it could be an earlier photo before it joined the Stab flight.

My notes show refs to loss list and unit day book - unfortunately I don't have access to these at present so maybe someone else could confirm either way?

Regards,

David

Chris Goss

12th August 2007 11:26

Re: He 111 W.Nr. 2149

Mark: I have a photo of a groundcrewman drawing a cartoon of Chamberlain on the tail of Wk Nr 2149; a similiar cartoon is also on Wk Nr 2145. Would be most interested to know from where your photo comes as mine came from one of the crew of this aircraft

Mark Proulx

12th August 2007 17:23

Re: He 111 W.Nr. 2149

David:

As photographed, the aircraft is sitting on its landing gear in a servicable position.

Chris:

The photos were purchased as part of a private sale.

The next question is, how would the spinners be painted? Again, I can't tell from the angle of the photo. What was the standard practice for KG 55?

Mark Proulx

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