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Brian Bines 5th April 2012 00:28

LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
Are there any known losses for LG1 in the period above please. I have details of the loss of L1+CN crew of Uffz. Fischer on the 23/24-12-1944, and the 1944 project shows a loss on the 18-12-1944 crew of Ofhr. Mathis with no aircraft or crew details,

Thanks

Brian Bines

hucks216 5th April 2012 12:44

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
17-12-1944: Flugplatz Ahlhorn Bruchlandung nach Flaktreffer
6 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+HP
FF Lt Berthold Michael - no fate listed
No other crew details.

26-12-1944: südl Lüttich - Flak
1 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+GH 331287
FF Lt Walter Schmidt - MIA
BO Ogefr Eberhardt Wächter - PoW
BF Ogefr Heinz Maslowski - PoW
BS Gefr Karl Dietzhoff - PoW

26-12-1944: Varel, Absturz beim Start
2 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+DK 330808
FF Uffz Theodor Bäcker - KIA
BO Uffz Arthur Wese - KIA
BF Reinhard Oswald - KIA
BS Uffz Otto Brandl - KIA

26-12-1944: Maasbrücke Namur Flak
I./LG-1
Ju-88S-3 L1+AB 330976
FF Hptm Rüdiger Pannenborg - KIA
BO FjUffz Klaus Kleinecke - KIA
BF Uffz Eduard Scharrer - KIA
BS Uffz Karl Esders - KIA

26-12-1944: Raum St Vith, Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
1 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+EH 330807
FF Ofhr Hans Leweck - MIA
BO ??
BF Uffz Mathias Bauer - MIA
BS Uffz Max Linke - (listed as VW but don't know what that refers to)

26-12-1944: Raum Marneffe, Flak
2 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+KK 330705
FF Uffz Gerhard Jahn - KIA
BO Ogefr Kurt Hesse - MIA
BF Fw Georg Kurt - MIA
BS Uffz Josef Loidl - KIA

26-12-1944: Maasbrücke Namur Flak
5 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?N 330976
FF Lt Heinrich Schmidt - PoW
BO Fw Sieghard Ginsberg - MIA
BF Uffz Gerhard Knecht - MIA
BS Fw Heinrich Schuster - MIA

26-12-1944: Ahlhorn, Absturz beim Start
4 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?? 330932
FF Uffz Heinz van Dreumel - (listed as VL but don't know what that refers to)
BO ??
BF Uffz Erich Huhn - KIA
BS Ogefr Karl Schmidt - (listed as VL but don't know what that refers to)

There are also 5 losses listed for 18-12-1944.

Source: Die Geschichte Des Lehrgeschwaders 1 Vol 2 1942-1945 by Peter Taghon

hucks216 5th April 2012 13:05

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
18-12-1944: Raum Aachen Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
4 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?M 330931
FF Lt Horst Bullmann - MIA
BO Fw Georg Leppelt - MIA
BF Uffz Helmut Duda - MIA
BS Fw Xaver Lichtinger - MIA

18-12-1944: 12km nördl. Kevelaer Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
4 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?M 330685
FF Ofhr Fritz Mathis - KIA
BO Gefr Otto Horländer - KIA
BF Ogefr Bruno Lechler - KIA
BS Gefr Heinrich Heitmann - KIA

18-12-1944: 1km SO Bocholt Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
5 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?N 330817
FF Fw Gottfried Wagler - KIA
BO Oblt Alfred Gose - KIA
No other crew details known

18-12-1944: Raum Aachen Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
6 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?P 330885
FF Ofhr Horst Panzer - MIA
BO Ogefr Rudolf Schneider - MIA
BF Uffz Werner Uhlig - MIA
BS Ogefr Erich Schröter - MIA

18-12-1944: Münster-Handorf Bruchlandung wegen Motorstörung
? Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+??
FF Uffz Hans Fischer
No other crew details known


The dates in Bold Red may indicate an error in the chronology of the list. They are all listed between a loss on 09-12-1944 and the loss on 17-12-1944 so they may of been losses for 16-12-1944 and have been entered with an incorrect day in the publication. The final loss shown for 18-12-1944 is entered between the loss on 17-12-1944 and the next loss on 23-12-1944 so believe this is a correctly listed entry.

There are 4 losses for Christmas Eve but none for Christmas Day.

Source: As previous post

Brian Bines 5th April 2012 13:07

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
Hucks, thank you very much for this info, for the 26/27th I have details of the Gerhard Jahn, Heinrich Schmidt and Heinz von Dreumel crews. With von Dreumel I do not have the aircraft code and I have the wn as 330932.
The vw I believe indicates wounded while vl would be injured. I have vol 1 of the LG1 history but cannot afford the vol 2 at present so your help is much appreciated,

Regards

Brian Bines

hucks216 5th April 2012 13:16

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
On the 16-12-1944 there was also an additional casualty when Ogefr Horst Schumann was injured in a motorbike accident.

Brian Bines 5th April 2012 13:48

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
Thanks again Hucks the other ones I have are :-
1/ L1+KM took off from Aalhorn at 1730hrs on 23-12-44 fell to a N/F at 2000hrs near Hannut

Ff Fw Albert Johanntges - POW injured
B Uffz Joachim Flaskamper- POW injured
Bf Ogef Willy Conrad - POW
Bm Uffz Rodow - fate unknown

2/ L1+CN took off Aalhorm around 2330 hrs 23-12-44, attacked by a N/F then became lost, crew baled out near Nijmegen 0435hrs on 24th

FF Uffz Hans Fischer -POW
B Ogef Theodor Vychodil - POW
Bf Uffz Hermann Hubner - believed came down behind German lines
Bm Uffz Walter Strube - believed came down behind German lines

Regards

Brian Bines

Frans A 5th April 2012 15:35

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
Brian Bines,
Uffz. Hermann Hübner KIA Ysselsteyn AL-2-36
Uffz. Walter Strübe MIA

Regards
Frans A

Brian Bines 5th April 2012 21:27

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
Fran A, thanks very much for the information, the Ff and B told their captors that the Bf and Bm baled out first so the two prisoners thought their two comrades had landed on the German side,

Regards

Brian Bines

hucks216 6th April 2012 11:57

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
Here are the four entries for 23-12-1944:

2 Staffel
Raum Frankfurt Absturz infolge Kraftstoffmangels
Ju-88S-3 L1+FK
BS Ofw Ernst Willmann - VL
No other crew details listed.

1 Staffel
Raum Marx Abstirz infolge Motorschadens
Ju-88S-3 L1+FH 330962
BF Ofw Richard Freihöfer - VL
No other crew details listed.

5 Staffel
Ahlhorn, Absturz beim Start
Ju-88S-3 L1+??
FF Ofhr Hans Weyermann - KIA
BO Uffz Heinz Dörfel - KIA
BF Ogefr Alfred Schwab - KIA
BS Ogefr Josef Austrup - KIA

4 Staffel
Raum Hannut, Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
Ju-88S-3 L1+KM 330933
FF Fw Albert Johänntges - PoW
BO Uffz Joachim Flaskämper - PoW
BF Ogefr Willi Konrad - PoW
BS Uffz Wilhelm Rudow - KIA

hucks216 6th April 2012 12:04

Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
 
And the three for Christmas Eve...

3 Staffel
Eyller See/Nieukerk Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
Ju-88S-3 L1+CL 330687
FF Fw Rudolf Deutscher - KIA
BO Ogefr Paul Heinrich - MIA
BF Uffz Horst Tucholski - KIA
BS Uffz Ernst Franke - MIA

5 Staffel
Horssen/Nijmegen Absturz nach Beschuss durch Nachtjäger
Ju-88S-3 L1+CN 330955
FF Uffz Hans Fischer - PoW
BO Ogefr Theo Vychodil - PoW
BF Uffz Hermann Hübner - MIA
BS Uffz Walter Strube - MIA

6 Staffel
Zielgebiet Absturz
Ju-88S-3 L1+?P 330970
BS Uffz Hans Scheuba - MIA
No other crew details listed.


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