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Black baron 29th May 2006 07:34

Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
13 as I recall. "someone" has claimed that most of his claims had no 38 losses reported on allied side.

Any data on this?

Dénes Bernád 29th May 2006 21:37

Re: Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
Your post is a bit confused. :confused:

Are you actually talking of Obstlt. Kurt Bühligen of JG2?

Black baron 29th May 2006 22:14

Re: Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
Yah, Kurt Bueligen. Has 13 P-38's on his record. Someone claimed US records don't show no losses on the dates he claimed em.

Here is the post..


Kurt Bühligen and Erich Rudorffer were overoptimistic about their exploits in Tunisia:

8th January 1943
II./JG 2 was credited with nine P-38s destroyed (three to Bühligen, one to Rudorffer).
Only three P-38s failed to return.

8th February 1943
II./JG 2 was credited with one P-38 destroyed.
No P-38s were lost in these combats.

9th February 1943
II./JG 2 was credited with three P-38s destroyed (two to Rudorffer).
No P-38s were lost in these combats.

15th February 1943
II./JG 2 was credited with ten P-38s destroyed (three to Bühligen, four to Rudorffer).
No P-38s were lost in these combats.

12th March 1943
II./JG 2 was credited with three P-38s destroyed (all to Bühligen).
II./JG 77 was credited with one P-38 destroyed.
No P-38s were lost in these combats.

Csaba B. Stenge 30th May 2006 08:05

Re: Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
It is not just the pilot's fault, but the German confirming system as well (altough it was generally strict and good, compared with the others). I guess, you should ask some wingman about these things (why did they 'witnessed' the highly inflated 'air victories' of some high aces - BTW Rudorffer's serious overclaims over the eastern front were discussed here earlier as well)

Black baron 30th May 2006 09:19

Re: Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
Yes I have heard from Mike Spick that Rudorffer & I think Oesau? he mentioned were bs'ers.

Mainly interested in Bueligen.

Artur PK 30th May 2006 15:49

Re: Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
BÜHLIGEN!!!!

ArtieBob 30th May 2006 19:34

Re: Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
Having worked in the USA for a German owned and managed company , the German expatriate with an "ü" in his name used the "ue" in all English documents and correspondence while he lived here. That was his choice as he was the boss. For that reason, it might not seem improper to use the anglicized version in what is an English language board and please, don't shout Artur, it hurts my PC ears.

Best Regards,

Artie Bob (aka. Arthur-Artur when in Deutschland or Österreich)

leonventer 30th May 2006 20:04

Buehligen or Bühligen, not Bueligen
 
Hi Artie Bob,

I believe it was the missing 'h' in 'Bueligen' that got Artur's goat.

Leon Venter

Dénes Bernád 30th May 2006 20:28

Re: Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
There is a difference between 'Bühligen' and 'Bueligens'. That's what probably pissed off 'Artur PK', i.e., the repeated usage of the misspelled name even after the proper spelling was pointed out.

I am looking forward to the replies related to his apparent overclaimings.

Black baron 31st May 2006 05:00

Re: Bueligens P-38 kills, disputed
 
One site had it spelled like this.. Doubt the 'n' belongs there.


"Bu-Mann" Kurt Buhlingen


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