JFV for 24 December 1944
 

I have Prien’s JFV 13/V and want to find out if JFV 13/IV and VI have any claims for Enschede, Netherlands or in 05 OST/GO- 8/1 or 63681 for the 24 December 1944.

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

Perhaps you can explain a little why you are looking for a claim near Enschede? More or less my backyard.....

J.

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

John, trying to eliminate “suspects” for the 193 Squadron Typhoon that was shot down there, before moving on to inside Germany. There is no mission times shown on your site.

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

Did a quick flip through the two books.

Nothing claimed for 24.12.44 fits a Typhoon lost near Enschede, though there are a few claims listed that do not give any location. All these are for other types, not Typhoons (or Tempests)

There is one interesting entry - the loss of

Uffz H Rechenbach (wounded) in combat with an English fighter N of Enschede
Fw190 A-9 490026 rt 4 of 4/JG1 forcelanded

Regards

Martin

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

I think I./JG 1 was not involved in the battle with No. 193 and No. 197 Sqn. I believe Rechenbach's a/c was damaged earlier and he tried to return to Twenthe. I think IV./JG 3 was involved in that battle with these Typhoons (after returning from the Ardennes), but cannot proof it.

John

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

Hi,

in J-Reports found only this for 24.12.44....

J-2834, NL Scheveningen. HJ 59. 24.12.1944. 11:15. P-51. Flak gef.
or
J-2691.D Mesingen, 5 km nordöstlich Plantlünne. GP 3. 24.12.1944. 12:00. Typhoon. gef

J-2708. D Beesten, Krs. Lingen. GP 1/GQ 1/7. 24.12.1944. 12:45. Typhoon. Jäger. tot

J-2819. D Ochtrup, 12 km nordwestlich. 24.12.1944. 12:00. Typhoon. tot

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

Hello Matthias,

do you have these reports also for 29.12.1944 in the same area?

Thanks,

John

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

Hello John,

here are some Abschußnummern/casualty numbers for British fighter losses on 29 Dec 1944 reported by Luftgaukommando VI/A Gruppe Ic/L 2 on 3 Jan 1945:
J 2907
12.30 Spitfire Flakstellung Mecklenbeck Gem. Roxel, 4 km W Münster, IQ 1/8 99% Bruch, 1 Toter

J 2716
11.00 Spitfire bei Weerselo, 14 km O Almeloo, GO 6/4, 55% Bruch, Notlandung, Pilot flüchtig

J 2717
11.30 Spitfire bei Mander, 15 km NO Almeloo, GO 3/7, 98% Bruch, Aufschlagbrand, 1 Toter

J 2713
11.30 Spitfire bei Geesteren, 9 km NO Almeloo, GO 2/8, 60% Bruch, Notlandung

J 2742
10.45 Typhoon Bauernschaft Altstätte, Strasse Ahaus/Stadtlohn, HOO 9/3, 99% Bruch, Aufschlagbrand, 1 Gefangener

J 2741
11.30 Typhoon 1,2 km S Hauenhorst, 5 km S Rheine HP 3/2, 99% Bruch, Aufschlagbrand, 1 Toter

J 2745
13.30 Typhoon Westerbauernschaft (3 km NW Ochtrup) HP 1/3, 35% Bruch, Notlandung, Pilot geflohen

J 2744
10.30 Typhoon Bauernschaft Rothenberge, 3 km NW Wettringen, HP 2/2, 95% Bruch Aufschlagbrand, Pilot verbrannt

J 2740
10.15 Typhoon 1 km S Welbergen, Strasse Ochtrup/Rothenberge, HP 2/5, 99% Bruch Aufschlagbrand, 1 Gefangener

J 2743
13.45 Typhoon Laer bei Horstmar, HP 9/4, 99% Bruch, Aufschlagbrand, 1 Toter

J 2585
12.30 Typhoon Viersen, Ortsteil Bötzloh, 3 km NW M.-Gladbach, LN 9, 25% Bruch, Notlandung, 1 Gefangener.

Regards
Leo

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

Thanks Leo, much appreciated! There were also 4 Tempest lost on 29.12.44. What about these?

Re: JFV for 24 December 1944
 

Hello John,

I have found no casualty numbers for the Tempests EJ803, JN803, EJ522 and EJ552. Only the crash location of the Tempest EJ803 is known: 1130 hrs near Spelle county Lingen/Ems. Maybe some of the Typhoons in the Luftgaukommando report were actually Tempests.
To J 2742: Jägergradnetz HOO 9/3 is a typo, correct is HO 9/3.

Regards
Leo