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Jagdgruppe Sud 25th October 2020 21:35

Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
Dear All
I would need your help concerning a crash Bf 110 C in Beaumont -en-Argonne.On 7 april 1940 ,a formation of Bf110 C of I/ZG2,led by Hptm.Hannes Gentzen,fought again with the French;Gentzen shotdown a Curtis H-75 of GC 1/5,while the French fighters claimed two Bf 110 C , The crew Feldwebel Muller and Neumann from Staffel 2 were killed , Would you have any information about this aircraft, Werk number, code ?

John Vasco 25th October 2020 22:06

Re: Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
Messerschmitt Bf110C. Shot down in combat with Curtiss H-75s of GC I/5 and Moranes of GC III/6 south of Sedan p.m. Possibly that claimed by S/Lt Warnier of GC I/5 at Beaumont-en-Argonne. FF Fw Kurt Müller and BF Gefr Herbert Penkert both killed. Aircraft 100% write-off.

No Bf 110 loss of a crew member named Neumann on this day.

The other I./ZG 2 loss was as follows:
Messerschmitt Bf110C. Shot down in combat with Curtiss H-75s of GC I/5 and Moranes of GC III/6 south of Sedan p.m. Possibly that claimed by Lt Dorance of GC I/5 at Stonne. FF Lt Johannes Kiel baled out and captured unhurt, BF Unterfw Werner Ehm killed. Aircraft 3M+AL 100% write-off.

Jagdgruppe Sud 26th October 2020 17:38

Re: Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
Hello thanks very much for information, have You the code 3M .... for first Bf 110 aircraft crashed near Beaumont - en Argonne ? , last week i visited the crash site and found some parts with the original paint

John Vasco 27th October 2020 14:54

Re: Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jagdgruppe Sud (Post 296602)
Hello thanks very much for information, have You the code 3M .... for first Bf 110 aircraft crashed near Beaumont - en Argonne ? , last week i visited the crash site and found some parts with the original paint

What I posted is all the information I have. Being a 2./ZG 2 machine, the best shot at the fuselage code would be 3M+(?)K.

Jagdgruppe Sud 28th October 2020 22:10

Re: Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
Thanks again for all information , i will try find more info in french archive

rof120 29th October 2020 17:31

Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
I sent you some details in a private message.

Jagdgruppe Sud 30th October 2020 21:24

Re: Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
Hello ,thanks for your message , any info about 2 Bf 110 , werk number ? or Code ? regards

Leo Etgen 30th October 2020 23:02

Bf 110, April 7, 1940, ZG 2 crash
 
Hello Jagdgruppe

According to The Battle of France Then and Now by Cornwell, Leutnant Johannes Kiel (20 victories, RK, killed in action 29 January 1944) was flying Bf 110 C (W.Nr. 3205) when shot down on 7 April 1940. One source that I have seen states that this was a Bf 110 C-2. I hope this helps.

Horrido!

Leo

Jagdgruppe Sud 31st October 2020 12:41

Re: Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
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Hello Leo , great news , W,Nr 3205 from Bf 110 C-2, i found the picture of this crash in french book ,Les Aiglons, les combats aeriens de la drole de guerre, septembre1939-avril 1940, autor: C.J.Ehrengardt,C.F.Shores,H.Weisse,J.Foreman, the code of this aircraft is 3M-LT,Thanks again Mat

gogh 31st October 2020 16:14

Re: Bf 110 , april 7 1940 , ZG 2 crash
 
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...t=3M+AL&page=2 post 15

first given as 3M+AL


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