Airspeed Oxford HM420 or NM420
 

Has anybody details on the loss of these aircraft please. I have come across a photo of a crashed Oxford in a field near some hangars. The code is either HM or NM ( hard to tell from the photo ) 420 , unfortunately both codes were used on Oxfords. May have been 14 P AFU at either Ossington or Gamston. A/C also has 45 painted on the side.

Also as a side bar to this , which photo sites are people now using for 3rd party hosting since Photobucket went a bit loopy. I'll post pic when I get a new photo hosting site.

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Noggin

From Air Britain's 'The Oxford, Consul and Envoy File', page 183:

NM420 16 PFTS [45] 26.1.44 - engine cut, undershot landing at Newton and hit building, 16.3.45

Regards

Simon

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Thank you. Any casulties listed , the crew compartment is all but gone.

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No, that was all. No further details.

Regards

Simon

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Noggin

A couple of possible connections:

Two Polish airmen who were killed that day had their deaths registered at Bingham, which would be right for R.A.F. Newton:

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/ca...,%20MIECZYSLAW

See also: http://listakrzystka.pl/en/?p=143720

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/ca...I,%20STANISLAW

See also: http://listakrzystka.pl/en/?p=251140

Regards

Simon

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Thanks again , checked the CWGC and got Cpt Stanislaw Sadowski
Cpl Waclaw Dabrowski
Lt Mieczyslaw Krwawicz died and buried at Newark that day , can count Dabrowski out as he was registered at Scunthorpe.

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Hello,
NM420,
F/Lt(Pilot U/T) Piotrowski, Waclaw.
F/Lt(Instr ) Sadowski, Stanislaw, KW.
W/O(WoP) Ballard J. 1382845.

Alex

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Thank you. Wonder if Krwawicz was killed on the ground then as you say the A/C hit a building

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Hello,
Polanin, Karol Jan P/O.
13 OTU
Mosquito NFII - DZ291.

Dabrowski Waclaw AC2c Pilot(u/t),
and
Krwawicz Mieczyslaw F/Lt
Both in
Harvard IIb FX381 - 16 OTU

FX381 was in collision with FT344.

FT344 coded "49"
FX381 coded "10".

RAF........USAAF.....CONST/No
FT344- 43-13085 - 14A- 1384
FX381- 43-34798 - 14A-1684

Alex

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Thank you Alex , just checked the GRO again Krwawicz died in the second quater of 1945. Survived the Harvard crash and must have been killed in the Newton area later.

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Hello Noggin,
Am puzzled by your latest reply.
For Krwawicz, Mieczyslaw see here -
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/ca...,%20MIECZYSLAW
Date given IS the 16th March '45.

It would seem that Krwawicz survived the crash and finally surcumed to his injuries on the 14th June 1945.
These details can be seen in this website, includes photo of the headstone.
A different date of death ?
http://www.polishwargraves.nl/new/7174.htm

Looks like CWGC has it recorded incorrectly ?
Anyone have details of registration ?

Alex

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June 14th 1945, two Oxfords collided and crashed near Kinoulton, Lt Krwawicz was killed and his body conveyed to Newton mortuary same day. The other pilot baled out safe. Unless there were 2 Mieczyslaw Krwawicz as I have no service numbers. But a Mieczyslaw Krwawicz is registered at Bingham in the 2nd quarter of 45 with GRO ( I have ordered his death cert to check ). Only one Mieczyslaw Krwawicz listed on the CWGC as you say March 45.

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June 14th 1945, 2 Oxfords collided and crashed near Kinoulton, the pilot of Oxford HN378, Lt Mieczyslaw Krwawicz was killed, and his body conveyed to Newton mortuary same day the un-named pilot of NW719 abandoned his aircraft safely. 1 mile WSW of Kinoulton, Notts. The GRO has Lt Mieczyslaw Krwawicz death registered Bingham area 2nd quarter of 45 which would tie in with June.

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Hello,
Just got "The Price of Peace" by Colin Cummings of the shelf, it does have ,on page 188 the details of both the Oxford's. And yes it has -
W/O M. Krwawicz as being the man killed, date 14 June 1945.
Should have got it down earlier :)
However this raises the question of the CWGC details recorded as there is no record of non Commonwealth deaths on 14 June 1945 on its website.

Great work on your part, well done.
Alex

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Bit of a convoluted trek from the origanal question though. I'll wait to see what his death cert says then either tell the CWGC or have a word with the old Newark CWGC stone mason , who now runs the RAF Balderton research group. He will still be in contact with somebody who can sort it.

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And just for completeness HM420 was a Percival Proctor Mk III.

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Not sure what happened there , I'll try and resize it.