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Roger Gaemperle 9th February 2005 15:59

Walther Dahl EJG2

I was trying to find information about the exact date when Walter Dahl joined EJG2 but was unable to do so. Also I was unable to find dates for his 9+ victories with EJG2. I was assuming that more information should be known as Walter Dahl survivied the war.

What would be the best source (book) for more information about him?

Thanks & Regards,
Roger Gaemperle

kaki3152 12th February 2005 01:54

Walter Dahl Flugbuch on E-Bay
Ya know, his Flugbuch just came up for auction on E-Bay. Would love to get a look at it. Does anyone know who bought the Flugbuch?


George Hopp 12th February 2005 02:44

Walter Dahl
His book, Rammjager, doesn't mention service with EJG2 at all, except to say that on 27 Mar 45, he, and Oberst Gollob were flying in an Si 204D to visit Heinz Bar's EJG2 in Lechfeld, when they were spotted by a pair of P-51s, and through Gollob's inspired flying managed to elude them. In the afternoon as he test flew an Me 262 some P-47s began straffing the airfiled, and he shot down 2 of them for his 102nd and 103rd victories. Then he says that by April 4th he had his 110th victory, but no further mention of EJG2.

kaki3152 12th February 2005 05:32

Walther Dahl's victories in Me-262
I have always had a problem with Walter Dahl's victory over P-47s on this date. As far as I know, no P-47 unit reported an encounter with Me-262s on this date.

George Hopp 12th February 2005 06:24

Walther Dahl
"Me 262 Combat diary" by Foreman and Harvey makes the same comments as you, and says that the actual day of the combat might be the 25th of March. But, as I said in the note above, the 27th is the date Dahl states in his book.

George Hopp 13th February 2005 03:12

Walther Dahl
Hmm, what are the chances that the P-47s belonged to units flying out of Italy? Since Heinz Baer claimed 3, and Walter Dahl claimed 2, victories, all relatively close to Lechfeld, and so to ground-based witnesses, I would hesitate to say that these victories were imaginary.

Ruy Horta 13th February 2005 11:01

Have any of you at least considered the possibility that the a/c type involved wasn't a P-47?

I'm not writing this because I stand behind the original claims, but it strikes me that these debates often focus on a single type being claimed and that no losses of said type mean that there was no valid claim. Misidentification is so common that types should not be the primary cariable when judging claims.

Biographies vary in accuracy, but in general I find them unreliable when it comes to dates and exact events. Rammjaeger isn't exactly one of those "Flugbuch" type biographies to start with...

FalkeEins 13th February 2005 15:23

not only that Ruy but (not wishing to appear sexist here) most of the book was put together by his wife..
As George points out, Dahl states that by 4 April he had 110 Abschüsse ..however Dahl also writes that he finished the war with 128 - a figure quoted in just about every bio - in other words he scored nearly 20 victories in just over 3 weeks even though he wasn't flying on operations !!! (he mentions only undertaking a number of Erkundungsflüge - eg 24 April -which resulted in combat )I think we can conclude that a large number of these latter victories were indeed 'imaginary'....

Ruy Horta 13th February 2005 17:46

Imaginary sounds like they are a lie, unless proven to be so I'd prefer the term uncertain. Although Obermaier may have used his biography, a quick scan (without resorting to any primary sources) shows a pattern that is fairly consistent for the last months of the war. Er flog fast bis zum letzten Kriegtag Einsätze, wobei er an der Ostfront 32 russische Flugzeuge abschoß.

What are the chances that some of the US types were actually Soviet types, making identification and verification of claims a little more difficult?

Is it certain that he didn't fly much during those days, is that based on his Flugbuch?

Just asking some questions, for the sake of knowledge, not trtying to push an argument as the forum moderator!

FalkeEins 13th February 2005 17:58

..well the Flugbuch that was sold only covered the period up to Feb much combat flying is the Inspekteur der Tagjagd likely to have done..? Not much I doubt..

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