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gilles collaveri 4th March 2020 17:56

JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
Dear all

is it possible from this poor picture to determine which type of A/C it is : Ju88 or Ju188 ?

I hope the visible structure could speak.

it concerns an aircraft crashed in spring or summer 1944 in the south of Brives in the South of France for which we try to rebuild the story. It seems that crew bailed out and was safe.

Thanks for your help

GC

Adriano Baumgartner 4th March 2020 18:28

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
Chèr Gilles,

Could this piece be related to the loss of the Ju 88A-4 Werknummer 4504, lost on the 27th February 1943, South of Bourges. It was a IV/KG 77 machine flown by Hauptmann Ernst Dahlmann?

gilles collaveri 4th March 2020 18:34

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
Salut mon copain Adriano

non, this aircraft definitely crashed in 1944 (exact date TBC), not in 1943.

So, it is another one.

I am waiting for more data and information, I 'll let you know when I have

bonne journée :)

Gilles

edNorth 4th March 2020 23:48

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
Try out how this fin looks compared thy photo.

https://luftwaffeinprofile.se/Dornier%20II.html

gilles collaveri 5th March 2020 07:09

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
Ed, this new path (Do217) is a very good idea.

It reminds me of a Do217 whose crew was shot by the French resistance, It would match well with the local story, I can't remember when exactly it happened and I shall search .

If anyone has more data about this story....

gilles collaveri 5th March 2020 07:14

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
I found it.
The local background (which is, I must confess, unclear) states that one of the crew was shot, which would match (this is not a common story).
We will see on site what parts we find and if the date can be confirmed.
Stay tuned.


1944-06-10 6./KG 100 Do 217M-11 723052 Bischoff, Ernst-Günther Bordfunker Uffz vermißt

1944-06-10 6./KG 100 Do 217M-11 723052 Kirchhoff, Heinrich Flugzeugführer Olt +
1944-06-10 6./KG 100 Do 217M-11 723052 Schäfer, Hellmut Beobachter Uffz Von Terroristen erschoßen.

Adriano Baumgartner 5th March 2020 14:49

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
Ed...your eyes and knowledge beat us!..and gave Gilles a new road.
Congratulations!...and Claus Sundin art is simply wonderful...a masterpiece...

Gilles, now a new road is open...Do 217 M or K....

Bonne chasse au trésor!

A.

Nick Beale 6th March 2020 09:52

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gilles collaveri (Post 283985)

it concerns an aircraft crashed in spring or summer 1944 in the south of Brives in the South of France

GC

Gilles, was this Brives (Indre) or Brives-Charensac (Haute-Loire), or even Brive-la-Gaillarde (Corrèze)?

gilles collaveri 6th March 2020 11:05

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
it is in the south of Brives la gaillarde,
more precisely between Cahors and Brives la Gaillarde (closest location: Payrac)
Thanks Nick
GC

RT 6th March 2020 11:58

Re: JUNKERS88/188 AIRFRAME EXPERT NEEDED
 
Could be this one
17.July 44 III.KG100 100 % crash 100 km north Toulouse, Do217 crew parachuted seems safe , no other detail, data come from HW5/522

Rémi


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