LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
Are there any known losses for LG1 in the period above please. I have details of the loss of L1+CN crew of Uffz. Fischer on the 23/24-12-1944, and the 1944 project shows a loss on the 18-12-1944 crew of Ofhr. Mathis with no aircraft or crew details,
Thanks Brian Bines |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
17-12-1944: Flugplatz Ahlhorn Bruchlandung nach Flaktreffer
6 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+HP FF Lt Berthold Michael - no fate listed No other crew details. 26-12-1944: südl Lüttich - Flak 1 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+GH 331287 FF Lt Walter Schmidt - MIA BO Ogefr Eberhardt Wächter - PoW BF Ogefr Heinz Maslowski - PoW BS Gefr Karl Dietzhoff - PoW 26-12-1944: Varel, Absturz beim Start 2 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+DK 330808 FF Uffz Theodor Bäcker - KIA BO Uffz Arthur Wese - KIA BF Reinhard Oswald - KIA BS Uffz Otto Brandl - KIA 26-12-1944: Maasbrücke Namur Flak I./LG-1 Ju-88S-3 L1+AB 330976 FF Hptm Rüdiger Pannenborg - KIA BO FjUffz Klaus Kleinecke - KIA BF Uffz Eduard Scharrer - KIA BS Uffz Karl Esders - KIA 26-12-1944: Raum St Vith, Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger 1 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+EH 330807 FF Ofhr Hans Leweck - MIA BO ?? BF Uffz Mathias Bauer - MIA BS Uffz Max Linke - (listed as VW but don't know what that refers to) 26-12-1944: Raum Marneffe, Flak 2 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+KK 330705 FF Uffz Gerhard Jahn - KIA BO Ogefr Kurt Hesse - MIA BF Fw Georg Kurt - MIA BS Uffz Josef Loidl - KIA 26-12-1944: Maasbrücke Namur Flak 5 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+?N 330976 FF Lt Heinrich Schmidt - PoW BO Fw Sieghard Ginsberg - MIA BF Uffz Gerhard Knecht - MIA BS Fw Heinrich Schuster - MIA 26-12-1944: Ahlhorn, Absturz beim Start 4 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+?? 330932 FF Uffz Heinz van Dreumel - (listed as VL but don't know what that refers to) BO ?? BF Uffz Erich Huhn - KIA BS Ogefr Karl Schmidt - (listed as VL but don't know what that refers to) There are also 5 losses listed for 18-12-1944. Source: Die Geschichte Des Lehrgeschwaders 1 Vol 2 1942-1945 by Peter Taghon |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
18-12-1944: Raum Aachen Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
4 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+?M 330931 FF Lt Horst Bullmann - MIA BO Fw Georg Leppelt - MIA BF Uffz Helmut Duda - MIA BS Fw Xaver Lichtinger - MIA 18-12-1944: 12km nördl. Kevelaer Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger 4 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+?M 330685 FF Ofhr Fritz Mathis - KIA BO Gefr Otto Horländer - KIA BF Ogefr Bruno Lechler - KIA BS Gefr Heinrich Heitmann - KIA 18-12-1944: 1km SO Bocholt Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger 5 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+?N 330817 FF Fw Gottfried Wagler - KIA BO Oblt Alfred Gose - KIA No other crew details known 18-12-1944: Raum Aachen Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger 6 Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+?P 330885 FF Ofhr Horst Panzer - MIA BO Ogefr Rudolf Schneider - MIA BF Uffz Werner Uhlig - MIA BS Ogefr Erich Schröter - MIA 18-12-1944: Münster-Handorf Bruchlandung wegen Motorstörung ? Staffel Ju-88S-3 L1+?? FF Uffz Hans Fischer No other crew details known The dates in Bold Red may indicate an error in the chronology of the list. They are all listed between a loss on 09-12-1944 and the loss on 17-12-1944 so they may of been losses for 16-12-1944 and have been entered with an incorrect day in the publication. The final loss shown for 18-12-1944 is entered between the loss on 17-12-1944 and the next loss on 23-12-1944 so believe this is a correctly listed entry. There are 4 losses for Christmas Eve but none for Christmas Day. Source: As previous post |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
Hucks, thank you very much for this info, for the 26/27th I have details of the Gerhard Jahn, Heinrich Schmidt and Heinz von Dreumel crews. With von Dreumel I do not have the aircraft code and I have the wn as 330932.
The vw I believe indicates wounded while vl would be injured. I have vol 1 of the LG1 history but cannot afford the vol 2 at present so your help is much appreciated, Regards Brian Bines |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
On the 16-12-1944 there was also an additional casualty when Ogefr Horst Schumann was injured in a motorbike accident.
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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
Thanks again Hucks the other ones I have are :-
1/ L1+KM took off from Aalhorn at 1730hrs on 23-12-44 fell to a N/F at 2000hrs near Hannut Ff Fw Albert Johanntges - POW injured B Uffz Joachim Flaskamper- POW injured Bf Ogef Willy Conrad - POW Bm Uffz Rodow - fate unknown 2/ L1+CN took off Aalhorm around 2330 hrs 23-12-44, attacked by a N/F then became lost, crew baled out near Nijmegen 0435hrs on 24th FF Uffz Hans Fischer -POW B Ogef Theodor Vychodil - POW Bf Uffz Hermann Hubner - believed came down behind German lines Bm Uffz Walter Strube - believed came down behind German lines Regards Brian Bines |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
Brian Bines,
Uffz. Hermann Hübner KIA Ysselsteyn AL-2-36 Uffz. Walter Strübe MIA Regards Frans A |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
Fran A, thanks very much for the information, the Ff and B told their captors that the Bf and Bm baled out first so the two prisoners thought their two comrades had landed on the German side,
Regards Brian Bines |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
Here are the four entries for 23-12-1944:
2 Staffel Raum Frankfurt Absturz infolge Kraftstoffmangels Ju-88S-3 L1+FK BS Ofw Ernst Willmann - VL No other crew details listed. 1 Staffel Raum Marx Abstirz infolge Motorschadens Ju-88S-3 L1+FH 330962 BF Ofw Richard Freihöfer - VL No other crew details listed. 5 Staffel Ahlhorn, Absturz beim Start Ju-88S-3 L1+?? FF Ofhr Hans Weyermann - KIA BO Uffz Heinz Dörfel - KIA BF Ogefr Alfred Schwab - KIA BS Ogefr Josef Austrup - KIA 4 Staffel Raum Hannut, Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger Ju-88S-3 L1+KM 330933 FF Fw Albert Johänntges - PoW BO Uffz Joachim Flaskämper - PoW BF Ogefr Willi Konrad - PoW BS Uffz Wilhelm Rudow - KIA |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
And the three for Christmas Eve...
3 Staffel Eyller See/Nieukerk Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger Ju-88S-3 L1+CL 330687 FF Fw Rudolf Deutscher - KIA BO Ogefr Paul Heinrich - MIA BF Uffz Horst Tucholski - KIA BS Uffz Ernst Franke - MIA 5 Staffel Horssen/Nijmegen Absturz nach Beschuss durch Nachtjäger Ju-88S-3 L1+CN 330955 FF Uffz Hans Fischer - PoW BO Ogefr Theo Vychodil - PoW BF Uffz Hermann Hübner - MIA BS Uffz Walter Strube - MIA 6 Staffel Zielgebiet Absturz Ju-88S-3 L1+?P 330970 BS Uffz Hans Scheuba - MIA No other crew details listed. |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
hucks216, Thank you very much again for the all the information that you have supplied, I appreciate your time in passing this on,
Regards Brian Bines |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
Here's what I have:
17-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, , Michael, Ltn. Berthold, , LG 1, II., 6., , L1+HP, , , Bruchlandung due to Flak. Sortie to Sittard area., , , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , Fl.Pl. Ahlhorn, b, F 18-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330885, Panzer, Ofhr. Horst, , LG 1, II., 6., , , , , KIA with crew due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. Sortie to Sittard area., B Ogefr. Rudolf Schneider, Bf Uffz. Werner Uhlig & Bs Ogefr. Erich Schröter, WASt. may say WNr. 330385., Lw.Kdo.West, WASt; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , Raum Aachen, 100%, F 18-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330685, Mathis, Ofhr. Fritz, , LG 1, II., 4., , , , , KIA with crew due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. Sortie to Sittard area., B Gefr. Otto Horländer, Bf Ogefr. Bruno Lechler & Bs Gefr. Heinrich Heitmann, Crew reported MIA in loss, corrected in update., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/767, p.18; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , 12km nördlich Kevelaer, 100%, F 18-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330931, Bullmann, Ltn. Horst, , LG 1, II., 4., , , , , KIA due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. 2 others KIA, 1 POW. Sortie to Sittard area., B Fw. Georg Leppelt, Bf Uffz. Helmut Duda & Bs Fw. Xaver Lichtinger, , Lw.Kdo.West, WASt; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , Raum Aachen, 100%, F 18-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330817, Gose, Oblt. Alfred (B)/Wagler, Fw. Gottfried (F), , LG 1, II., 5., , , , , Stkp. Both KIA due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. Sortie to Sittard area., , , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , 1km südöstlich Bocholt, 100%, F 18-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, , Fischer, Uffz. Hans, , LG 1, II., 5., , , , , Bruchlandung due to engine trouble. Sortie to Sittard area., , , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , Münster-Handorf, b, F 23-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, , n.n., , LG 1, I., 2., , L1+FK, , , Crashed due to fuel shortage. Bs injured. Sortie to Metz-Luxemburg., Bs Ofw. Ernst Willmann, , Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.64; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , bei Frankfurt/Main, 100%, F 23-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330962, n.n., , LG 1, I., 1., , L1+FH, , , Crashed due to engine damage. Bf injured. Sortie to Metz-Luxemburg., Bf Ofw. Richard Freihöfer, , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , Raum Marx, 100%, F 23-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, , Weyermann, Ofhr. Hans, , LG 1, II., 5., , , , , Crew killed in crash during take-off for sortie to Metz-Luxemburg., B Uffz. Heinz Dörfel, Bf Ogefr. Alfred Schwab & Bs Ogefr. Josef Austrup, , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , Ahlhorn, 100%, F 23-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330933, Johänntges, Fw. Albert, , LG 1, II., 4., , L1+KM, NR+PG?, , POW due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. B & Bf also POW, Bs KIA. Sortie to Metz-Luxemburg., B Uffz. Joachim Flaskämper, Bf Ogefr. Willi Konrad & Bs Uffz. Wilhelm Rudow, 'L1+FN' per Lw Circle., Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526; Lw Circle p.3, , Raum Hannut, 100%, F 24-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330970, n.n., , LG 1, II., 6., , , , , Crashed. Bs reported MIA. Returned 26-Dec., Bs Uffz. Hans Scheuba, Bs MIA per Taghon, returned per loss update., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/767, p.18; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , Raum Bastogne, 100%, F 24-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330687, Stuchlik, Uffz. Heinz, , LG 1, I., 3., , L1+DL, , , Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. Bf WIA, Bs KIA. Sortie to Metz-Luxemburg., B Uffz. Günther Lowitzki, Bf Uffz. Heinz Kriesche & Bs Fw. Herbert Otte, , Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.64; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , bei Mönchengladbach, 100%, F 24-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330955, Fischer, Uffz. Hans, , LG 1, II., 5., , L1+CN, , , POW due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. B also POW, rest MIA. Sortie to Metz-Luxemburg. Found destroyed and looted in Jan-45., B Ogefr. Theo Vychodil, Bf Uffz. Hermann & Bs Uffz. Walter Strube, Map ref E654657 per AI2(G) report., Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526; AI2(G) serial 265, , Horssen/Nijmegen, 100%, F 24-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330178, Deutscher, Fw. Rudolf, , LG 1, I., 3., , L1+CL, , , KIA due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. Bf also KIA, Bs WIA, B MIA. Sortie to Metz-Luxemburg., B Ogefr. Paul Heinrich, Bf Uffz. Horst Tucholski & Bs Uffz. Ernst Franke, WNr. 330687 per Taghon!! Dup with another loss he lists for that day!, Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.64; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.526, , Eyller See/Nieukerk/Geldern, 100%, F 26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 331287, Schmidt, Ltn. Walter, , LG 1, I., 1., , L1+GH, , , MIA due to Flak. Rest of crew POW. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., B Ogefr. Eberhardt Wächter, Bf Ogefr. Heinz Maslowski & Bs Gefr. Karl Dietzhoff, , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , südlich Lüttich, 100%, F 26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330808, Bäcker, Uffz. Theodor, , LG 1, I., 2., , L1+DK, , , Crew killed in crash during take-off for sortie to Namur-Huy area., B Uffz. Arthur Wese, Bf Uffz. Reinhard Oswald & Bs Uffz. Otto Brandl, , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Fl.Pl. Varel, 100%, F 26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330887, Schmidt, Ltn. Heinrich, , LG 1, II., 5., , , , , POW due to Flak. Rest of crew MIA. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., B Fw. Sieghard Ginsberg, Bf Uffz. Gerhard Knecht & Bs Fw. Heinrich Schuster, A dup loss per Taghon. WNr. 330887 from ADi report per Remi., Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527; RT (Remi) via TOCH on 29-Mar-12, , Maasbrücke Namur, 100%, F 26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330932, Dreumel, Uffz. Heinz van, , LG 1, II., 4., , , , , Injured in crash during take-off for sortie to Namur-Huy area. Bf killed, Bs also injured., Bf Uffz. Erich Huhn & Bs Ogefr. Karl Schmidt, , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Fl.Pl. Ahlhorn, 100%, F 26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330705, Jahn, Uffz. Gerhard, , LG 1, I., 2., , L1+KK, , , KIA due to Flak. Bs also KIA, B & Bf MIA. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., B Ogefr. Kurt Hesse, Bf Fw. Georg Kurt & Bs Uffz. Josef Loidl, 27-Dec-44, Bahnhof Namur per loss., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.64; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Raum Marneffe, 100%, F 26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330976, Pannenborg, Hptm. Rüdiger, , LG 1, I., Stab I., , L1+AB, , , Gr.Kdr. KIA with crew due to Flak. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., B FhjUffz. Klaus Kleinecke, Bf Uffz. Eduard Scharrer & Bs Uffz. Karl Esders, A dup. Possibly WNr. 330978. 27-Dec-44 per loss., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.65; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Maasbrücke Namur, 100%, F 26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330807, Leweck, Ofhr. Hans, , LG 1, I., 1., , L1+EH, , , MIA due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. Bf MIA, Bs WIA. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., Bf Uffz. Mathias Bauer & Bs Uffz. Max Linke, 27-Dec-44 per loss., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.65; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , westlich St. Vith, 100%, F 30-Dec-44, , Ju 88A-4, 144083, Gänssten, Uffz. Walter, , LG 1, IV., 10., , L1+GW, , , Killed in crash. B also killed, Bf & Bs injured., B Uffz. Karl Schmidt, Bf Ogefr. Kurt Knoblauch & Bs Uffz. Erich Schönert, , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Malchin, 100%, F 31-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330561, Rössiger, Uffz. Gerhard, , LG 1, I., 1., , L1+AH, , , POW with crew due to Flak during sortie to Bastogne., B Uffz. Karl Schmidt, Bf Uffz. Heinz Müller & Bs Uffz. Robert Püllen, (Bastogne) per loss., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.65; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Raum Arlon, 100%, F |
Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944
Jim, many thanks to you for supplying this information. I really appreciate all the help given by you and the other guys on this and my other recent threads on the Dec.1944 losses,
Regards Brian Bines |
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