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Tony Kambic 3rd February 2015 02:39

Re: Kg51 "edelweiss" the complete history of kg 51 in world war ii".
 
Ian McLachlan and Russel Zorn's Eighth Air Force Bomber Stories describes an attack near Mendelsham Air Base Suffolk on June 7, 1944 by KG51 taking down four B-24s as they approached the base following a mission. Mentioned in the story is the April 22, 1944 attack in which 14 Liberators were destroyed by KG51. No mention of Luftwaffe pilots names.

Tony

edwest 4th February 2015 02:12

Re: Kg51 "edelweiss" the complete history of kg 51 in world war ii".
 
There is a possibility that additional editions contained updated information. See here:

http://translate.google.com/translat...51&prev=search


Note the References at the bottom of the page.



Ed

Jim P. 5th February 2015 00:09

Re: Kg51 "edelweiss" the complete history of kg 51 in world war ii".
 
Me 410A-1, 420445, Wenning, Ltn. Wolfgang, , II., Stab II., KG 51, , 9K+ZP, , , 27-Apr-44, Crew KIA due to collision with an Oxford of No. 18 (P) AFU., Stab KG 51 per 'The Blitz, T&N'. 7 aerial claims?, Kanal, The Blitz, Then & Now, III, p.366; Goss via TOCH on 1-Jan-12, , Manor Farm, Frankton, bei Rugby, 100%, F, Bf Fw. Gustav Delp, ,

The Dierich book has been re-published a few times, though I doubt it's ever been updated. Unfortunately it's far from a complete history of the unit.

Jim P. 5th February 2015 00:17

Re: Kg51 "edelweiss" the complete history of kg 51 in world war ii".
 
Claims I have for KG 51 from various sources, starting with Tony Woods transcribed claims from German claims documents -

Date, Rank, Fname, Lname, Gruppe, Staffel, JG, Claimed, Location, Time, ClaimNo, Unit_Cl, RLM, Prim_Source, Conf_No, Sec_Source, Notes
24-May-40, , , n.n., III., 8., KG 51, franz.Jäger, Raum Issoudun, 09.50±, ., -, yes, Gillet, , , A/C Estan from Avord airfield defense patrol
19-Aug-40, Ltn.Dr., , Stahl, I., 1., KG 51, Spitfire, 25km nordöstlich Portsmouth: 2300m, 15.40, ., -, yes, C.2035/II, Anerk: Nr. -, OKL,
30-Sep-40, Uffz., , Schlig (Bs), I., 1., KG 51, Spitfire, 15km südlich Insel Wight: 3000m, 17.03, ., -, yes, C.2035/II, Anerk: ASM, OKL,
19-Apr-42, Uffz., , Heurig, I., 2., KG 51, I-15, 10km westlich Tuapse: 2000m, 14.55, ., -, yes, C.2034, Anerk: Nr. 5, ,
23-Apr-42, Fw., , Laube, I., 3., KG 51, I-17, Noworossijsk: 2500m, 12.27, ., -, yes, C.2034, Anerk: Nr. 4, ,
28-Apr-42, Ofw., , Göuls, I., 1., KG 51, I-16 Rata, Hafen Nowossiye: 2200m, 15.30, ., -, yes, C.2034, Anerk: Nr. -, ,
28-Apr-42, Fw., , Wolf, I., 1., KG 51, I-15, Hafen Nowossiye: 2500m, 15.30, ., -, yes, C.2034, Anerk: Nr. 13, ,
22-May-42, Fw., , Wolf, I., 1., KG 51, I-17, Szamnizy: 1500m, 13.50, ., -, yes, C.2034, Anerk: Nr. 14, ,
20-Aug-42, Uffz., , Buge, I., 2., KG 51, MiG-1, Bekietowkaja: 1500m, 11.00, ., -, yes, C.2032/II, VNE: ASM, ,
04-Sep-42, Fw., , Schollenbruck, I., 1., KG 51, I-15, Südrand Stalingrad: 1000m, 11.15, ., -, yes, C.2032/II, Anerk: Nr. 12, ,
17-Dec-42, Uffz., , Knoll, I., 2., KG 51, I-61, 12-15km nördlich Porgutschew: 2500m, 09.10, ., -, yes, C.2035/I, Anerk: Nr. 4, ,
31-Mar-44, Oberstltn., Wolf-Dietrich, Meister, II., Stab II., KG 51, Fortress II, östlich Cambridge: 300m, 04.33, 4., -, yes, C.2025/I, VNE: ASM, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.162; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.I, p.394, 12 Sq. Lancaster LM509 - damaged. Stab/KG 51 per Boiten.
12-Apr-44, Ltn., Wolfgang, Wenning, II., Stab II., KG 51, Fortress II, nördlich Ipswich: 300m, 00.42, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 1, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.166; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.14, 96BG/413BS B-17G 42-97556.
12-Apr-44, Hptm., Dietrich, Puttfarken, II., 5., KG 51, Spitfire, PlQu. 13 52/05 Ost: 800m [bei Fl.Pl. Coltishall], 00.50, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, VNE:ASM, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.166; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.14, 64 Sq. BL581.
12-Apr-44, Hptm., Dietrich, Puttfarken, II., 5., KG 51, Halifax, PlQu. 14 82/05 Ost: Tiefflug [bei Lincoln], 01.25, 2., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. -, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.166; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.14, 1654 CU Stirling LJ450.
19-Apr-44, Oblt., Klaus, Bieber, II., 5., KG 51, Lancaster, Cambridge, 02.25, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 3, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.167; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.15, 115 Sq. LL667 or 625 Sq. ME734. Oblt. Claus Breissner per FMP, and claim?
19-Apr-44, Hptm., Dietrich, Puttfarken, II., 5., KG 51, Lancaster, PlQu. 03 30/05 Ost: [1-30km südlich King's Lynn], 02.25, 3., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 2, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.167; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.15, 115 Sq. LL667 or 625 Sq. ME734.
19-Apr-44, Ltn., Wolfgang, Wenning, II., Stab II., KG 51, Halifax, nordwestlich Hull, 03.47, 2., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 2, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.167; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.15, 115 Sq. Lancaster LL867.
21-Apr-44, Ltn., Wolfgang, Wenning, II., Stab II., KG 51, P-47, nördlich Cambridge, 05.10, 3., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 1, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.167; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.17, 7(P) AFU Magister II. Claimed by Bs Fw. Gustav Delp.
22-Apr-44, Hptm., Dietrich, Puttfarken, II., 5., KG 51, Halifax, England, -, 4., -, yes, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45 f. 168, , ,
22-Apr-44, Hptm., Dietrich, Puttfarken, II., 5., KG 51, Halifax, England, -, 5., -, yes, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45 f. 168, , ,
22-Apr-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, Fortress II, PlQu. 05 Ost E / 18 84: [See, 120 oder 170km südöstlich Peterhead], 22.04, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 2, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, 2nd BD B-24, unidentified.
22-Apr-44, Ltn., Wolfgang, Wenning, II., Stab II., KG 51, Halifax, PlQu. 13 68/05 Ost E: [See, 1-10km westlich-südlich Southwold], 22.05, 4., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 3, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, 2nd BD B-24, unidentified.
22-Apr-44, Uffz., , Beier, II., 6., KG 51, Halifax II, PlQu. 13 84/05 Ost E: [Küste bei oder südlich Aldeburgh], 22.10, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 4, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, 2nd BD B-24, unidentified. Or Uffz. Baier per Boiten.
22-Apr-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, Halifax, PlQu. 05 Ost E / 13 84: [Küste bei oder südlich Aldeburgh], 22.10, 2., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 4, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, 2nd BD B-24, unidentified.
22-Apr-44, Hptm., Werner, Düro, II., 4., KG 51, unbekannt, PlQu. 13 77/05 Ost E: [westsüdwestlich Rand Ipswich], 22.14, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 1, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, 2nd BD B-24, unidentified.
22-Apr-44, Uffz., Gustav, Delp (Bs), II., 6., KG 51, Halifax, südlich Norwich, 22.15, 5., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 5, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, Bs to Ltn. Wolfgang Wenning. 2nd BD B-24, unidentified. Bs to Ltn. Wenning from Stab II./KG 51?
22-Apr-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, Halifax, PlQu. 05 Ost E / 13 85: [See, 10-20km ostsüdöstlich Aldeburgh], 22.16, 3., -, yes, C.2027/I, VNE:ASM, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, 2nd BD B-24, unidentified.
22-Apr-44, Uffz., , Beier, II., 6., KG 51, Halifax II, PlQu. 13 76: [Fl.Pl. Woodbridge, nordöstlich Ipswich], 22.22, 2., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 6, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, 2nd BD B-24, unidentified. Or Uffz. Baier per Boiten.
22-Apr-44, Ltn., Uwe, Laas, II., 5., KG 51, Halifax, PlQu. 13 71/05 Ost E: [0-10km östlich Newmarket, östlich Ipswich], 22.26, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 4, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, At 22.46 per claim?
22-Apr-44, Uffz., , Beier, II., 6., KG 51, Halifax II, westlich Orfordness:, 22.26, 3., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 7, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.168; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.20, 2nd BD B-24, unidentified. At 22.46 per claim?
23-Apr-44, Uffz., , Bongert, II., 4., KG 51, Halifax, PlQu. 13 38/05 Ost: [5-15km südlich-südwestlich Norwich, Fl.Pl. Hethel], 03.35, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, VNE:ASM, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.169; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.21, poss. 389BG/565BS B-24J 44-40085.
25-Apr-44, Uffz., , Beier, II., 6., KG 51, Halifax, PlQu. 13 57/05 Ost: [5-15km südlich Diss], 03.58, 4., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 8, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.170; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.25, 626 Sq. Lancaster DV177.
25-Apr-44, Ltn., Wolfgang, Wenning, II., Stab II., KG 51, Halifax, 20km nordöstlich Cambridge: 1000m, 04.22, 5., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 87, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.170; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.25, 76 Sq. LK789.
27-Apr-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, unbekannt, PlQu. 05 Ost / 03 56: [1-8km westlich Fl.Pl. Mildenhall], 04.25, 4., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 9, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.171; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.30, unidentified.
28-Apr-44, Uffz., Artur, Döhler, II., 5., KG 51, 4-mot. Flzg., PlQu. 242/15 Ost N: [Raum Cambridge], 04.15, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 5, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.172; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.34,
07-May-44, Oblt., , Czerwinski, I., Stab I., KG 51, Halifax, südsüdwestlich La Prisière: 2000m, 02.27, 1., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 4, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.174; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.42, 156 Sq. Lancaster ND449. südwestlich La Ferrière per Boiten.
08-May-44, Oblt., , Czerwinski, I., 1., KG 51, Halifax, 25km nordwestlich Tours: 3000m, 03.02, 2., -, yes, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 11, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.175; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.43, 138 Sq. LL280.
12-May-44, Uffz., Walter, Breugel, II., 4., KG 51, 4-mot. Flzg., Bredstedt: 100m, 02.38, 1., -, noch, C.2027/I, Anerk: Nr. 2, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.176; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.47, unidentified. 2./KG 51?
22-May-44, Uffz., , Beier, II., 6., KG 51, B-24, PlQu. 03 65/05 Ost S: 600m [1-10km nördlich-nordöstlich Bury St. Edmunds], 02.51, 5., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 11, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.178; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.52, poss. 619 Sq. Lancaster NN965.
22-May-44, Uffz., , Beier, II., 6., KG 51, B-24, PlQu. 03 67/05 Ost S: 50m [3-13km westlich-nordwestlich Bury St. Edmunds], 02.56, 6., -, yes, C.2027/II, VNE:ASM, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.178; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.52,
22-May-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, Lancaster, PlQu. 05 Ost S / 04 89: 1200m [3-13km nördlich-nordwestlich Blakeney Point], 03.05, 5., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 12, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.178; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.52, unidentified.
22-May-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, Lancaster, PlQu. 05 Ost S / 03 17/05 Ost S: 800m [15-25km westnordwestlich King's Lynn], 03.14, 6., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 13, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.178; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.52, poss. 619 Sq. NN965.
22-May-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, Lancaster, PlQu. 05 Ost E / 03 24/ZZ: 800m [10-20km nordöstlich King's Lynn], 03.22, 7., -, yes, C.2027/II, VNE:ASM, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.178; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.52,
29-May-44, Fw., Ernst, Dietrich, II., 6., KG 51, Stirling, PlQu. EC 2/05 Ost S: 300m [Norfolk], 02.40, 1., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 10, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.181; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.61, No. 1657 CU R9298. Besätzung per claim?
13-Jun-44, Uffz., , Ottren, II., 6., KG 51, Abschuß, PlQu. 43 81zz: 200m [England], 01.25, 1., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 14, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.187; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.79, intruder claim, unidentified. Or Stab II./KG 51 per Boiten.
13-Jun-44, Fw., , Visintin, II., 5., KG 51, Halifax, PlQu. 03 78/05 Ost: 200m [Saffron Walden, südöstlich Cambridge], 03.12, 1., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 6, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.188; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.79,
17-Jun-44, Uffz., , Ottren, II., 6., KG 51, 4-mot. Flzg., PlQu. 22 25/05 Ost: 4500m [See, 70-80km nördlich Ostende], 02.00, 2., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 15, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.189; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.84, poss. 199 Sq. Stirling LJ531.
17-Jun-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, 4-mot. Flzg., PlQu. 05 Ost / 121: [Themsemündung, südlich Clacton-on-Sea], 02.15, 8., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 16, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.190; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.84, unidentified.
28-Jun-44, Ltn., , Markan, II., 4., KG 51, 4-mot. Flzg., PlQu. 03 76/05 Ost S: 350m [10-20km südlich Newmarket], 02.27, 1., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 3, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.194; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.93, 90 Sq. Lancaster NE145.
28-Jun-44, Ltn., , Friedrich, II., 5., KG 51, Stirling, PlQu. 12 23/15 West S: 300m [1-12km östlich Letchworth], 02.30, 1., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 7, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.194; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.93, 801BG/850BS B-24H 42-95321.
28-Jun-44, Uffz., Franz, Wachtler, II., 4., KG 51, Lancaster, PlQu. 03 78/05 Ost S: 400m [Saffron Walden], 02.31, 1., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 4, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.194; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.93, 90 Sq. LM164 - damaged.
03-Jul-44, Fw., Johann, Trenke, II., 6., KG 51, Abschuß, PlQu. 05 Ost S / 007: 500m [~England], 00.14, 9., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 18, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.195,
06-Jul-44, Uffz., , Illner, II., 6., KG 51, 2-mot. Flzg., PlQu. UU/15 West S: 1500m [Caen], 02.38, 1., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. 17, FMP, LW NF Claims 39-45, p.198; Boiten, Nachtjagd War Diaries, V.II, p.100, poss. 105 Sq. Mosquito ML913.
03-Dec-44, Ofw., , Petersen, I., 2., KG 51, B-24, zw. Weert und Venlo, 09.25, ., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. -, ,
05-Dec-44, Fw., , Schmidt, I., 1., KG 51, B-17, PlQu. GP 35/05 Ost: 1800m, 13.08, ., -, yes, C.2027/II, Anerk: Nr. -, ,
29-Jan-45, , Hubert, Lange, I., , KG 51, P-47, zwischen Illhausen und Giebelstadt, 10.-11.00, 1., -, yes, Lange per Gaemperle, , Wehrpass signed by Adj. Oblt. Hovestadt,
02-Feb-45, , Hubert, Lange, I., , KG 51, B-24, bei Rheine, 13.-15.00, 2., -, yes, Lange per Gaemperle, , Wehrpass signed by Adj. Oblt. Hovestadt,
21-Feb-45, , Hubert, Lange, I., , KG 51, P-47, zwischen Hopsten und Kleve, 17.-18.00, 3., -, yes, Lange per Gaemperle, , Wehrpass signed by Adj. Oblt. Hovestadt,
13-Mar-45, , Hubert, Lange, I., , KG 51, P-47, zwischen Hopsten und Kleve, 14.-16.00, 4., -, yes, Lange per Gaemperle, , Wehrpass signed by Adj. Oblt. Hovestadt,
13-Mar-45, , Hubert, Lange, I., , KG 51, P-47, zwischen Hopsten und Kleve, 14.-16.00, 5., -, yes, Lange per Gaemperle, , Wehrpass signed by Adj. Oblt. Hovestadt,

Karsten 8th February 2015 12:24

Re: Kg51 "edelweiss" the complete history of kg 51 in world war ii".
 
Hello,

a Photo of Lt. Wolfgang Wennig (as soldier) can be found in the book
Jan Horn: Das Flurschadengeschwader. Die Chronik des Kampfgeschwaders 51 "Edelweiß" zwischen dem 1.Januar 1944 bis Kriegsende.

Rüdiger


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