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Bf 110 G-4 of Wilhem Johnen from 5./NJG 5, Switzerland, April 1944

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Messerschmitt...item4d54914579

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Ca...-/371874598843
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Nice one Bob

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A new Hs 129
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-Foto...IAAOSw~AVYszJB http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-Foto...kAAOSwOgdYszKL

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Thanks, Snauzer. I would normally have included it with my weekly ebay list, but I'm thinking of abandoning that due to technical difficulties between my PC and this website.
Meanwhile, here's one especially for Marc-Andre (if it works);
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Ab...-/302232740519

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Yup, it works, sir bob and thanks !

One of the best shots of late production Mtt made Bf 109 K-4. The W.Nr. can be possibly 334 148 or 335 148. This machine features the typical Flossenbürg camouflage pattern with the "Bodenwöhr" final assembly touch: a snake like streak of RLM 76 on the lower fuselage which by that time was left unpainted.

Cheers
Marc

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Posting error.





Usual disclaimer,
Ed

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Ju88 in hangar destoyed
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-GI-P...oAAOSw2gxYs3ES

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Messerschmitt Me P.1101

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WWI...kAAOSwfVpYua03

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Me262

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WWI...sAAOSwTuJYua3f

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The P.1101. What a find. In my early years of posting, I had come across only one other photo: A P.1101 in a building of some kind and in an undamaged condition. Daylight through a window illuminated the aircraft.



Ed

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ETIS=European Theatre Intelligence School?
On the back of the photo of the 262 parked next to the P1101, does it say 20th Feb -46? It is a bit unclear?

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see this one then: http://www.usarmygermany.com/Units/M...%20Det%201.htm

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Photographed at Messerschmitt "Oberbayerische Forschungsanstalt" clandestine development department at Oberammergau. Taken in April 1945 when late snowfalls occurred. Just watch the Bad Wörishofen photographs.
Very interesting photograph - prototype seems to be undamaged and only shoved outside the hangar to crete space for whatsoever.
Website about Messerschmitt production site and research facility
http://www.herbert-thiess.de/Laber/Index.html
Now occupied by
https://www.natoschool.nato.int/

Regards
RolandF

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Thank you Snautzer and RolandF. I do not see ETIS under the military abbreviations I know. The photo mentions a theatre. In some cases, intelligence documents would capitalize all the letters for a town or other key location.



Ed

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Ju88_FW190 Mistel

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-snapshot...MAAOSwax5Ytf1e

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Hi Ed,

http://www.natoschool.nato.int/Organ...tory/1933-1953

The above source states "... the prototype P.1101 and a Me-109 [sic] were found in Building 615 now housing the Manfred Woerner Lecture Hall...". I think what the GI meant by "theater" was a lecture hall.

best regards,

Jim Geens

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Hi Frederik,
indeed ETIS = European Theatre Intelligence School. ETIS was inaugurated January 1946 in Oberammergau, providing schooling and training for CIC (Counter-Intelligence Corps {"Spionageabwehr" in German} [of the US military]) agents.

Also, yes, the date (particularly the year!) is not clearly readable. But "46" seems to be correct.

Another earlier?/ later? condition photo of the same scene is this:

Source: http://www.luft46.com/mess/mep1101.html#photo%20op

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Building 615 can be found here:
http://www.herbert-thiess.de/Laber/A...scherPlan.html

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-original...-/272577647792

Includes fotos of a Ju 188 in familiar cammouflage but not (?) the well-known example.

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Hi Jim,


Thank you very much. I have long been interested in this subject, and the immediate post-War period. A complete history of the CIC has yet to be written, as well as what the French and British did with captured material. I do have a rough idea of what was captured but there appears to have been a rivalry between the Allies going on in the various occupation zones.



Regards,


Ed West

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Interesting camouflage on this Ju 88 (??+KH)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272577647792...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Does anyone have an idea what unit it belonged to?

Regards,
Rudi.

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It's a Ju 188A-2 U5+KH from 1./KG 2, left behind damaged at Couvron.

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Thanks for the info Gerhard. Very much appreciated.

Regards,
Rudi.

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On eBay USA an album with photos of 2 Heinkel He 162: 3 photos of white 4 & one of what looks like white 8.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172564750532...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Regards,
Rudi.

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On this album we could see a lot of planes , P 47 , with "tail off", as there were damaged to avoid capture;;;by the germans...???

Rémi

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I assume that was done by the Americans themselves. After the war, many planes were scrapped since there was no need for such a large number of them anymore.

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This could be one of the two airfields in Kassel (Rothwesten, Waldau).

There are no records of a He162, "8" in Kassel. There was however a "white 3, WNr.120028" and a "yellow 6, WNr.310017". Maybe it is one of the two. See http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...t=16871&page=3

The "4" is a different story:
"White 4, WNr.120067", originaly captured by the british in Leck, this plane was shipped to Kassel for planned for shipping and evaluation to and in the US. Howerver, only the wings made it to the US and were mounted on "white 7, WNr.120022" that later became FE-493. The fuselage of "white 4" seems to have been scrapped in Kassel.
"White 7, WNr.120022" (FE-493) and "Yellow 6, WNr.310017" (FE-?) were brought to the US.

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This was done to ensure the were scrap and not sold en revived to airworthy by another un-wanted party.

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Me110 Early type english roundels

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940s-CAPTUR...wAAOSwXYtYvh1N

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British capture, AX-772 of RAE

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I think it's more likely the location is Ibsley rather than Issley. Ibsley is a long disused aerodrome on the south coast of England.

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AX772 made its first RAF flight at the RAE on 25th October 1940 and was flown extensively before being transferred to AFDU at Duxford on 13th October 1941. It was then transferred to No.1426 Flight on 5th March 1942 unit this unit was disbanded in January 1945. Taken on charge of No47 MU Sealand at Tangmere on 1st November 1945. Selected for transfer to AHB Sealand in spring 1946 and remained in storage unit is probable eventual transfer to No.34 MU at Sleap for scrapping between November 1947 and February 1948 (War Prizes by Phil Butler)

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Adittional Info on AX772:
"Messerschmitt Bf110C-5, Wnr.2177, 5F+CM, 4.(F)/AufklGr14, force-landed on 21 July 1940. Taken to the RAE it was repaired with parts from the Bf110C-5, 2N+EP, and became AX772."

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Me109 in the woods by Darmstadt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Me-...cAAOSwYXVYyMgW

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Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 160 087 "Weisse I", 1./JG 53, Braunshardt, Summer 1945. Source: eBay auction.

For other pics of this machine, check the link here : http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631641066869

Cheers
Marc

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Hi,

I wonder if it wasn't one among the many JG53 machines received by JG300 ...

Cheers, Franck.