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FWIW, I fully agree with Cpt_Farrel.

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Hello folks!

This is a very interesting thread, but can somebody tell me why I can't view the flickr.com sites?

Cheers, Simon

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Hallo Simon,

it seems now obvious that Flickr is banning from access all German I.P's in order to stick to the § 86-86a banning all Nazi symbols....

Anybody has an idea on which site I could set up a mirror accessible also from Germany?

Thanks
Marc

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photobucket: http://photobucket.com/

Super happy this thread is now a sticky :D

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Hey, I finally got it working from Germany! The secret is a new yahoo-account with an US postal code AND a birth date which says you are older than 21. Then create a new connection with Flickr. So let's see what you have put up there, Marc..

Regards,
Christian

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Great news Christian!

And be sure there are plenty of errors to iron out; all comments warmly welcomed. The more precise we will be, the better this visual encyclopedy will be...

Cheers
Marc

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Knowing how intense you Bf 109 people get, it seemed better to keep you all in a separate area!

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hmm, tried to do as ChristianK told me, but it's not possible to view this content here in Austria. Very strange. Would be cool if somebody could send me the pics via email or put them up at photobucket.

Cheers, Simon

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Simon,

All pics do stem from published sources or old ebay or Tonelli auctions. The interesting part I tried to do is to place them according to their W.Nr. in files dedicated in a numerically classified manner either to the Mtt Regensburg, ERLA, WNF or Györ factories.

I'm a bit in a stress with work currently, thus I won't be able to send them toy ou via e-mail before November... Sorry for that.

If any of you gang has the time and wish to put the pics with legends on Photobucket, you're welcome!

Cheers
Marc

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... or make gallery here?

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Sure, I'll do it for you. Catagorized. Might take me a while but it will be my honor to do so.

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That would be very kind from you! Thank you!

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Great! Thanks, Oberst.

Marc

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good thread, very very interesting :)

I'm wondering though if Erla didnt have access to RLM 83, what colour were they using? was it one of the green tinged 81 shades?

@ Rasmusson did you mention a possible book on Erla Leipzig?
If so is that in the works or planning stage, I would be very keen to see that happen (an English version) as Erla built 109s I find are the most interesting

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No problem, just cross checking the W.Nr.'s and weeding out the G-14/AS's marked as G-10's right now, then onto the rest. Also, all fotos will have there properties removed, and numbered filename starting at "1" (known sources will still be credited though). This way anybody with web access from anywhere in the world will be able to view the pictures.

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I guess you know this page:

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com...serschmitt.htm

Some relics could be seen :)

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nope havn't seen that site. the K-4 captioned rudder is interesting as it shows kill markings. Apparently some pilots even that late in the war were not afraid to display them.

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I guess they had faith in victory :) Anyway- very good image of late war colors was in one old book Luftwaffe Aces, where is displayed rudder preserved in one airport.

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Perhaps that was the case. As far as rudders, I'm also doing a special section on that too. broken down into 3 groups. Mtt-Reg, Erla, & WNF.

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GREAT THREAD! I have many Late 109s to paint!

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Updated the stream with following machines

Bf 109 G-8 W.Nr. 200 2..
Bf 109 G-8 W.Nr. 201 231

Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 781 993
Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 786 331

Cheers
Marc

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Hi there Gang!

I have an issue with the following G-6:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625383083572

The W.Nr. is barely legible as (1)63 606 and if confirmed points on a Mtt Regensburg Bf 109 G-6. As for the unit, my first thought was for a JG 26 plane, given the small white band and what I took as an equivalent black band, thus being the JG 26 RVB.

On scrutinizing the photograph, I'm not sure anymore about this interpretation. One will notice the very dark though mottled camouflage, and it could be thus possible that only a white band was applied.

Lastly, there is a location issue: according to FrankD8, the original e-bay seller ascertained this machine was found at Salzburg. The landscape and especially the tall pines does not make this really likely.

Any thoughts on those issues are highly appreciated
Marc

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High tail, maybe not G-6?

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Those were easily retrofitted, Srecko... not a definitive clue, alas.

What do you think of this very peculiar camouflage?

Cheers
Marc

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Looks to be a training aircraft to me. I've seen that band before on some.. JG101(?) I think?

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Danke Oberst!

Incidentally, this was your 109th post ;-)))

Cheers
Marc

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Extra dark shade could be late war color and extra dark on tail is like hand painted late war purple brown (?) shade as seen on some preserved relics. Demarcation of dark top color is sharply visible at rear fuselage behind band. Very dark two shades on top wing... RLM81 and 82?

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Hi all,
FrankD8 is my newly created Flickr account. Original source of those "Salzburg" images and additional info can be found here: http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...=1&#entry55512

The owner labeled these shots as "Salzburg", but of course he could have remembered wrongly. This happened not so seldom as one might think.

Regards,
Christian

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Thanks for your input Srecko; if you look at the other two pictures of this machine, one can notice it has a replacement engine cowling (and engine?) and that the remainder of the fuselage is in a very heavy dark mottle.

As for the wing camouflage pattern would a combination of RLM 81 and RLM 83 be out of place? All told, this machine is, excepting the Bodenwöhr RLM 76 snake pattern on the lower fuselage, quite a close match for the Bf 109 K-4 "Weisse 8" of II./JG 52 you can find here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

Though shifting on the red, this color shot does show RLM 81 and another dark green (RLM 83?).

Cheers
Marc

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Danke Christian!

For your inputs on the stream;-)) Maybe Simon will help us here to check for the plausibility this being Salzburg? The vegetation strongly speaks against this, though...

Cheers
Marc

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I have seen cowling but this does not mean it is replaced, just painted in another department, as rest elements of the airframe. I agree about two dark green shades but no idea how to name it. Will make test profile later...

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By the way- three white dots on horizontal tail, what that could be?

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IMHO, position and style of the Werke Nummer, suggest that it is a 463 606, thus an Erla-produced Bf 109G-14.

Camouflage seems clearly to be a modified in-the-field version over the usual Erla pattern (which was already darker than MTT pattern, for example).

HTH

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There is one with similar pattern but without any insignia but national. This could suggest that toned down was even made in the same assembly plant? Thanks for WNr :)

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... but an W.Nr. 463 606 didn't exist. So it's more likely 460 606 or 464 606.

Best regards
Rasmussen

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Correction duly noted. Thanks as always, Jörg.

Then, I would bet on 464 606...BTW also the style of the white spiral on the spinner is typical of Bf 109G-14s of that batch...(I have seen only now the two other frontal shots).

Pity that the nose oil filler hatch can't be seen clearly, because I would bet this aircraft belongs to those G-14s fitted with the bigger oil nose tank (from "horseshoe" shape to annular one) and thus had the "higher" placed one, like on G-10s and K-4s.

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One question- is it possible that only last three digit was painted? They are a bit high and maybe not space for full number. Sorry, image is small and compressed so not much info could be seen.

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Did some digging, could be from 2 Staffel Gruppe I./JG 3 also.

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Quite simply, no. The rest of the number is there, notwithstanding the bad quality of the photo. As I have shown you privately, there is quite enough space for the full Werke Nummer, especially the slimmer ones applied by Erla...

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Thank you very much Veltro :)