Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

Hallo all, sometime after WW2 a French P-47 was simulating a dogfight with a P-38, when the P-47 lost control and crashed into some woods near Darmstadt. The year could have been 1947, but no one knows for sure anymore. The pilot was killed in the crash. Does anyone have access to post-WW2 loss lists from the French Airforce? I am looking for data on pilot and aircraft. I have been to the crash site and this has been interesting me for years now. Thanks, Danny

Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

Hi,

try this link :

http://p-47.database.pagesperso-orange.fr/index.html

Bertrand

Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

I e-mailed Didier as I cannot read French. Thanks, Danny

Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

Danny,

The French Forces d' Ocupation used for there P-47 this airbases in Germany:

Friedrichshafen
Trier
Koblenz-Niedermendig

all off them are former German Airfields.

During 1947 this units where in Germany:

GC 2/2 "Alsace"
GC 2/3 "Dauphine"
GC 1/4 "Dauphine"
GC 1/3 "Navarre"
GC 1/5 "Champagne"
GC 2/3 "Champagne"
GC 2/5 "La Fayette"
GC 2/4 "La Fayette"

They lost several planes and pilots, mostley during Combat and Dogfight Training. For the Rapport d' Enquette the best way you write at the
Armee de l' Air, Service Historique at Paris.

I have had an crashsite from 1/5 and they send me the complett file include photos etc.

Bests,
Hans

Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

Danke Hans, the problem is, I cannot narrow down the date or even the year. There is only one witness and he said sometime after war's end and up to early 50s. That makes it a big window. I also received a link with a database of French crashes/losses and none fit the Darmstadt, Eberstadt area. Danny

Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

Sure its a french P-47 ?
Around the city of Darmstadt are dozens of P-47 crashsides - most of them march 45 and later, also in the Biblis area several P-47 crashes April 45 and later.

khorat

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Hi problem, it's certainly not Darmstadt who was used for named place of crash ...exemple for 1947 ...

16/01/1947 BENDORF ALLEMAGNE CNE DE CHANTERAC (bl) P-47 D 44.20688
11/04/1947 TREVES ALLEMAGNE SGC COSTES (i) P-47 D NON PRECISE
23/04/1947 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE LTT VICKER (i) P-47 D 44.20935 "9V-A"
11/05/1947 LAHR ALLEMAGNE CNE TANGUY (bl) P-47 D 44.20814
26/05/1947 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN ALLEMAGNE SGT BOURREAU (i) P-47 D 44.20382 "M"
04/06/1947 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE ADJ TRESCASES (i) P-47 D 44.20701 "H"
23/07/1947 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE SGC DUFFORT (i) P-47 D 44.20658
24/07/1947 MEERSBURG ALLEMAGNE CNE DEFAUCAMBERGE (tué) P-47 D 44.3391
15/09/1947 TEPFENHARD ALLEMAGNE ADJ GEMMMENOZ (i) P-47 D 44.20909
19/09/1947 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN ALLEMAGNE SGT BACHES (ou BUCHEZ) indemne P-47 D 158
07/10/1947 SEEMOS ALLEMAGNE ADJ REYNAUD indemnes P-47 D 44.89797
27/10/1947 RIENGGEN HAUSEN ALLEMAGNE SGC DUFFORT indemne P-47 D 44.20921
only one was killed :
24/07/1947 MEERSBURG ALLEMAGNE CNE DEFAUCAMBERGE (tué) P-47 D 44.3391
Bsrg, Dan

Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

For 1946

11/01/1946 FRIEDRISCHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGT PARAVY indemne P-47 D 44.20910
11/02/1946 TREVES ALLEMAGNE LTT BOUILLY indemne P-47 D 44.19671
24/02/1946 WEINGARTEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE LINTEAU tué P-47 D 44.20924
11/03/1946 TREVES ALLEMAGNE SLT SCHNEIDER indemne P-47 D 44.20919 AF-W
13/03/1946 TREVES ALLEMAGNE RFA SGT EPAILLY indemne P-47 D 44.20689 AF-D
19/03/1946 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE CLC GERMAIN indemne P-47 D 44.20373
20/03/1946 NASSAU ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE L'ESPINAY indemne P-47 D 44.20042 "G"
26/03/1946 TREVES ALLEMAGNE SGT PELLETAMME indemne P-47 D 44.33694
30/03/1946 ROSTINGEN ALLEMAGNE SGC MICHAUD tué P-47 D 44.20355 9V-Q
07/04/1946 DONAUESHINGEN ALLEMAGNE SGC MOURAUD indemne P-47 D 44.20350
08/04/1946 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE RFA SLT FARRIOL indemne P-47 D 44.33768
09/04/1946 RAVENSBURG ALLEMAGNE SGT LALES indemne P-47 D 44.20349
20/04/1946 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE FABRE indemne P-47 D 584 (?)
17/05/1946 NIEDERMENDING ALLEMAGNE RFA ADJ MASSART indemne P-47 D 44.20361
28/05/1946 SEBKRA D'ORAN ALGERIE SGC COSTES blessé P-47 D 44.20942
01/07/1946 BERNKASTEL ALLEMAGNE SGT MOSER tué P-47 D 44.20693
01/08/1946 BRANBACH ALLEMAGNE CNE AUBERT indemne P-47 D 44.20054
07/08/1946 HARTZENBULL ? ASP ANDRIEUX tué P-47 D 44.33677
27/09/1946 LAHR ALLEMAGNE CDT JENNY CLARK indemne P-47 D 44.20031
18/10/1946 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE SGT DAVID indemne P-47 D 44.33657 (?)

Killeds :
24/02/1946 WEINGARTEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE LINTEAU tué P-47 D 44.20924
30/03/1946 ROSTINGEN ALLEMAGNE SGC MICHAUD tué P-47 D 44.20355 9V-Q
01/07/1946 BERNKASTEL ALLEMAGNE SGT MOSER tué P-47 D 44.20693
07/08/1946 HARTZENBULL ? ASP ANDRIEUX tué P-47 D 44.33677

Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

For 1948

21/01/1948 FRIEDRISCHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC MARTIN P-47 D 44.33397 "E"
23/01/1948 FREIDRISCHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE LEMAIRE (i) P-47 D 44.20690
03/04/1948 EPPINGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGT CASANAVE (i) P-47 D 44.20363
20/04/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC LECOCQ (i) P-47 D 44.20378
09/05/1948 THUR ALLEMAGNE SGT VAISSE (bl) P-47 D 44.20014
01/06/1948 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE SGC RABOKOGNE (i) P-47 D 44.33769
07/06/1948 AILINGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE DESHAYES (i) P-47 D 44.33405
07/06/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA ADC NAVARRO (i) P-47 D 44.20018
17/06/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE LCL STEFF (i) P-47 D 44.90039
28/06/1948 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE RFA ADJ TIXADOR (i) P-47 D 44.33409
28/06/1948 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE SGT ROUBAUD (i) P-47 D 44.20918
02/08/1948 GERBERHAUS ALLEMAGNE SGC SAINTE MARIE (bl) P-47 D 44.20907
03/08/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE CHANEL (t) P-47 D 44.20380
17/09/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC BRAZY (i) P-47 D 44.33769
28/09/1948 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA ASP PROST (i) P-47 D 44.33670 "Z"
01/10/1948 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC MARTIN (i) P-47 D 44.20027
15/11/1948 ECKENDORF ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC EPHRITIKINE (i) P-47 D 44.89823
15/12/1948 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE CNE LORIDAN (i) P-47 D 44.490139

Killed or no
21/01/1948 FRIEDRISCHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC MARTIN P-47 D 44.33397 "E"
Killed
03/08/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE CHANEL (t) P-47 D 44.20380

Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
 

For 1949

31/01/1949 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE (R.F.A.) ADJ LASTAPIS - LTT BARREAU indemnes P-47 D 44.33682
24/02/1949 TANNEAU ALLEMAGNE (RFA) LTT VARENNE (t) P-47 D 44.90134
28/03/1949 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA LTT SCHNEIDER (i) P-47 D 44.20946 "H"
14/04/1949 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC RAQUIN (i) P-47 D 44.20351 F-UHFV 4L-V
19/04/1949 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CDT BOUTON (bl) P-47 D 44.33683
12/05/1949 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE RFA LTT AURIOL (i) P-47 D 44.20009
30/05/1949 CREFELD ALLEMAGNE RFA ADJ LECOQ (i) P-47 D 44.3535
02/08/1949 BEIZHOFEN MENGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE SAINT-JOHN DE CREVECOEUR (bl) P-47 D 44.33764

One Killed
24/02/1949 TANNEAU ALLEMAGNE (RFA) LTT VARENNE (t) P-47 D 44.90134