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Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 125027)

Hi AndreasB,

thanks for posting this. Can you give the specific ULTRA files references (AIR 40/??)

thanks

Adam

Hi Adam

This is in HW5/39, while the RAF data is from AIR22

All the best

Andreas

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

I have created a page with German code-names picked up on ULTRA in the Med during November/December 1941. Any corrections and additions more than welcome.

http://crusaderproject.wordpress.com...ring-crusader/

All the best

Andreas

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

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Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 125019)

So far the material I've read (July – mid September) has only had messages about the various beacons that will be available or required each night. This may mean more to a specialist than it does to me, however. I'll let you know what the next batch of material (for October and November) brings when I can start work on it.

Glad you're enjoying Ghost Bombers.

Hello Nick

I was most interested in your reply quoted, regarding the messages relating to the beacons that will be used against the German beams. I have been looking for information about their operation in TNA files.

Mark

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

This is a nice example of what you can turn up in Kew, under HW5.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=27407

All the best

Andreas

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

The pages in my earlier posts may soon disappear as I am cancelling my Humyo online storage account. It is unclear whether they will stay accessible via the links or whether they will vanish altogether, so if anyone wants to see them I suggest they do so in the next week. This also goes for the pages linked in the Using Y-Intercepts to research the Luftwaffe forum where I am posting a similar message.

I hope this is not a problem to anyone. Please PM me if in the future you want access to the documents and I will do what I can.

Regards,
Bruce

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

I've just posted a series of additions and corrections to the site:

New title graphic on the home page.
Additions to the Kommando Sommer article including flights by Stabsfw. Walter Arnold.
Additions to 1.(F)/100 and the Arado 234: January–May 1945 to include reference to pilot stood down from operations on 30 January 1945, another strength return and more sorties ordered or carried out.
Addition to NAG 6 and the Me 262 regarding a loss reported on 23 March and a transfer flight on 5 April 1945.
Additional sortie by 1./NAG 1, on 4 April 1945.
Addition of sorties by Nachtjagdstaffel Norwegen, in October 1944 and April 1945.
Addition to Jagdgruppe 200: strength return for 15 July 1944 and additional information about anti-partisan operations from 20–23 July 1944.
The inevitable minor corrections.

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

Hi Nick,
Thank you very much especially for the update on NJ St Norwegen.
A comment if I may. Oberst Bongartz was not a fighter controller as such. He had previously served as Nacht Jagd Raum Führer 100 http://www.gyges.dk/Nacht%20Jagd%20Raum%20Fuehrer.htm
( a position equivalent to the RAF Sector Controller) at Grove, and I think he was posted to Finland in this function as well. This them begs the question of the location of "NJRF Finland".
bregds
SES

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

A lot of the material in DEFE 3 that is on microfilm is now available on-line in pdf format - free! Most, but not all of the 1020 files in DEFE 3 are on microfilm, and so should be downloadable.

About 500 files are decrypts of German and Italian naval traffic (mainly encrypted on Enigma and Hagelin, plus a few with hand ciphers such as Reservehandverfahren). Few readers of this list will be interested in those files. The quality of the naval files is generally good. There are also some decrypts of Japanese naval air traffic.

To use the on-line material you really need first to make a full list of what is available, starting with DEFE 3/5 (continuation of JP series, continued as KV series); that batch finishes at DEFE 3/19.

For some reason about half of the DEFE 3/5 pdf file consists of poor mirror images of the previous page. I don’t know if other non-naval files are like that.

I can post a list of the naval files (eg DEFE 3/332-499 consist of ZTPG decrypts) if any one is interested. If you were making a list of the files with messages sent out by Hut 3 (Sigint on the German army and air force) you would not then have to download information from the catalogue on those files.

These are big files – generally around 200 kbs. The server seems to be quite fast.

Apologies if this information has already been posted.

Ralph Erskine

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

Thanks. I'll need to update my site, then! I was at TNA two weeks back and I checked one DEFE 3 message via their onsite terminals but I haven't tried downloading from home.

Having the messages in positive rather than negative is welcome too, after the headaches I used to get from squinting into the old microfilm readers .

Re: Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

It's really helpful, but also an embarassment of riches!

All the best

Andreas