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castro323 20th October 2016 03:39

Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Luftflotte 4 (Uman') - Genobst. Otto Deßloch

VIII.Fliegerkorps (Bila Tserkva) - Gen.d.Fl. Hans Seidemann

Jagdgeschwader 54
II./ (Zhitomir) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Erich Rudorffer
---- 7 x Fw190A-4, 13 x Fw190A-5, 4 x Fw190A-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 2 x Fw190A-4)

Schlachtgeschwader 9
IV./ (Kirovograd) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Bruno Meyer
---- 3 x Hs129B-2
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
10./ (Uman')
---- 12 x Hs129B-2
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 6 x Hs129B-2)

Schlachtgeschwader 10
Stab/ (Berdichev) - Geschwaderkommodore Obstlt. Helmut Viedebantt
---- 1 x Ju88C-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
I./ (Berdichev) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Egon Thiem
---- 11 x Fw190F-3, 12 x Fw190G-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
II./ (Berdichev) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj Götz Baumann
---- 41 x Fw190G-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)

Schlachtgeschwader 77
Stab/ (Kalinovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Maj. Helmut Bruck
---- 1 x Ju87D-3, 3 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Ju87D-5)
I./ (Zhitomir) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Werner Roell
---- 1 x Ju87D-1, 13 x Ju87D-3, 11 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 4 x Ju87D-3, 2 x Ju87D-5)
II./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Alexander Gläser
---- 6 x Fw190F-2, 10 x Fw190F-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Fw190F-3)
III./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Franz Kieslich
---- 12 x Ju87D-3, 19 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Ju87D-3, 4 x Ju87D-5)

Kampfgeschwader 3
Stab/ (Kalinovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Maj. Fritz Auffhammer
---- 1 x Ju88A-4, 1 x Ju88C-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
I./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Joachim Jödicke
---- 32 x Ju88A-4, 1 x Ju88A-14
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 8 x Ju88A-4)

Kampfgeschwader 27
Stab/ (Kirovograd) - Geschwaderkommodore Obst. Hans-Henning von Beust
---- 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
III./ (Kirovograd) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Karl Mayer
---- 21 x He111H-16
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x He111H-16)

Kampfgeschwader 53
Stab/ (Rotmistrovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Obstlt. Karl-Eduard Wilke
---- 3 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-14
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
II./ (Rotmistrovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Herbert Wittmann
---- 24 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 3 x He111H-16)

Kampfgeschwader 55
II./ (Rotmistrovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Heinz Höfer
---- 21 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 2 x He111H-16)

Evgeny Velichko 4th June 2018 14:18

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Thanks for info!

Any details and dates for losses? Also, You forgot II./SG2, wich fought over Kiev in early november.

Evgeny Velichko 8th June 2018 09:03

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Dear friends!

Could You please help me with some Luftwaffe losses on 3.11.43, Luftflotte 4.

-Ju87 (I presume St.G.77 / SG.77)
-Ju88
-He111
-Bf109 (JG51? Aufklarungs?)
-Fw189 (Aufklarungs?)
-Fw190 (JG54, JG51, II./SG2)?

Adriano Baumgartner 8th June 2018 16:09

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Hello...

II Gruppe JG 54

5 Staffel

Fw 190 A-4, werknummer werknummer (14)7112 – Black ? – 85% damaged – Usin/Kiew Süd.

I guess it was on the ground (not LK - Not Luft Kampf)

There are two other Bf 109 G-2 and G-6 losses but to 10. Staffel (not related to your research).

Adriano Baumgartner

Adriano Baumgartner 8th June 2018 16:11

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
I can check for you the HS 129 losses on this Month....but it will take me some time to reply...
About the other, do have nothing to share...sorry

Adriano B.

Rottler 8th June 2018 18:43

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Hello Evgeny,

according to the Gen.Qu. loss reports on 3 November 1943 Luftflotte 4 units lost the following aircraft:

Go 242 WNr. 014 Schleppgruppe 2 (no enemy action) Warwarowka, Absturz 100%

Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 19675 10./JG 51 Apostolowo-West, Bruchlandung, 10%

Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 140061 11./JG 51 Apostolowo-West, Absturz, 100%

Ju 88 D-1 WNr. 430893 4.(F)/122 Nikolajew-Ost, Flakbeschuss, 100%

Ju 88 A-4 WNr. 888672 2. Ung.K.St. Planquadrat 0141, Absturz infolge Flakbeschuss, Aufschlagbrand, 100%

Fw 190 A-4 WNr. 7112 5./JG 54 (no enemy action) Usin-Kiew Süd, Fahrwerkschaden, 85%

Bf 110 G-2 WNr. 5200 5./NJG 200 bei Kertsch, Absturz nach Luftkampf, 100%

Regards
Leo

Evgeny Velichko 8th June 2018 19:58

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriano Baumgartner (Post 253113)
I can check for you the HS 129 losses on this Month....but it will take me some time to reply...
About the other, do have nothing to share...sorry

Adriano B.

Thanks Adriano, I have all Hs129 losses and there are no for 3.11.43.

Evgeny Velichko 8th June 2018 19:59

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriano Baumgartner (Post 253112)
Hello...

II Gruppe JG 54

5 Staffel

Fw 190 A-4, werknummer werknummer (14)7112 – Black ? – 85% damaged – Usin/Kiew Süd.

I guess it was on the ground (not LK - Not Luft Kampf)

There are two other Bf 109 G-2 and G-6 losses but to 10. Staffel (not related to your research).

Adriano Baumgartner

5./JG54 had at least 1 combat damage, wich caused aircraft left on Kiev-West airfield. It was Fw190A of Paschke, wich had damaged left wingtip on 1st combat mission on that day. Only 5 Fw190 left for Fastov, not all 6. But this loss is not in losslist.

https://s22.postimg.cc/cgd2fwr7l/Paschke.jpg

Evgeny Velichko 9th June 2018 18:44

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Gentlemen - are there any losses of Fw189 of 7.(H)/32 (NAGr.6) on 3.11.43?

Rottler 10th June 2018 15:59

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 
Hi Evgeny,

in the Gen.Qu. loss reports are listed no NAGr 6 losses in the period 20 Oct 1943 to 11 Nov 1943 (19 Oct 1943 loss of Fw 189 A-2 WNr. 125290 70%, 12 Nov 1943 loss of Fw 189 A-2 WNr. 528 100%).

Regards
Leo


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