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Evgeny Velichko 9th October 2006 09:22

I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
Hi all!

Does anybody have info about I./ZG 1 victories on this period?

Poland, 1939;

Denmark, 1940;

Holland & France, 1940.

I have only this notes;

Date - Pilot - Enemy a/c type - Area - Time - Confirm

01.09.39 - ?./ZG 1 - pilot wanting - PZL P.24 – Warszawa -17:30- probably
04.09.39 - ?./ZG 1 - pilot wanting - PZL P.23 - Nakło - 12:00 - yes
06.09.39 - 3./ ZG 1 - Oblt.Walter Ehle - PZL P.24 - Warszawa – 5:15 - yes
07.09.39 - 1./ZG 1 - Oblt Victor Mölders - PZL P.37 - Radzymin – 16:10 - yes
07.09.39 - 3./ ZG 1 - Oblt.Walter Ehle - PZL P.37 - Radzymin – 16:10 - yes
07.09.39 - 3./ZG 1 - Lt.Wilhelm Spies(?) - PZL P.37 - Radzymin – 16:10-yes
17.09.39 - ?./ZG 1 - pilot wanting - PZL P.24 - Gabin - ? - yes ?

Walter Ehle had 3 victories with I./ZG 1, what is 3rd?
Same thing about Eduard Tratt - I know onli this:
1 1.6.1940 - Hurricane 1./ZG 1 Dunkirk
2 1.6.1940 - Hurricane 1./ZG 1 Dunkirk
3 1.6.1940 - Hurricane 1./ZG 1 Dunkirk

With best wishes from Russia,

Eugen.

Marius 10th October 2006 00:00

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
Hello Eugen,

the claims for Poland 1939 you have listed are coming from my own work published in Poland in 2002 (Luftwaffe nad Polska 1939 cz.1 Jagdflieger, Armagedon). The last update is the following:
1.9.39:
Pilot?, P.24 probable (?), Warsaw, ~17.30
5.9.39:
Pilot?, P.24, Zakroczym, ~13.30
Pilot?, P.24, Truskaw, ~13.30

6.9.39:
Olt. Ehle P.24, Warsaw, 5.15
7.9.39:
?Lt.Spiess?, P.37, Radzymin, ~16.05
Olt.Mölders, P.37, Radzymin, ~16.10
Olt.Ehle, P.37, Radzymin, 16.10


The first victory is my own speculation. On the 5.9. the unit fought with Polish 112 eskadra. The last lost 2 planes, a third forcelanded.
I hoped the Russian archives could reveal more details (?).

Best wishes,
Marius

Evgeny Velichko 10th October 2006 21:31

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
Thanks for answer!

I found this info on one of forums... Didnt knew the sources...

Are those cliams the all that I./ZG 1 claimed in Poland?

Marius 10th October 2006 22:58

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
At all 7 claims, of them 6 confirmed (?).
We have few documents here in Germany regarding I./ZG 1. I hope the Russian archives contain some "captured German papers".

Marius

Evgeny Velichko 10th October 2006 23:11

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
Unfortunatly, I have no access to "secret german documents"...

Mikkel Plannthin 11th October 2006 06:43

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
Denmark - 09.04.40
Vaerløse (airfield outside Copenhagen), Lieutenant V.Gotfredsen (pilot) and 2nd Lieutenant G.F.Brodersen (observer), Fokker C.V. M/33 'R.49', appr. 5.20 a.m. (local time). A/C attacked during take off.

According to Tony Wood's Combat Claims & Casualties List, the German pilot credited with this claim is Hptm. Wolfgang Falck, Stab I.ZG 76.

Since this is the only Danish loss, it would be the only claim.

Mikkel Plannthin

Evgeny Velichko 11th October 2006 13:57

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
THX.

Do You mean this claim?

09.04.40 Hptm. Wolfgang Falck: 7 Stab I.ZG 1 Fokker  Vaerlöse (Dänemark) 06.38 Refer: Williams re. Perry

And according this site http://www.ww2.dk/air/zerstorer/zg1.htm, following Falck's claims must be with I./ZG 1 too?

10.01.40 Hptm. Wolfgang Falck: 5 Stab I./ZG 1 Blenheim  Nordsee: Pl.Qu. 565 12.57 Refer: Williams re. Perry
17.02.40 Hptm. Wolfgang Falck: 6 Stab I./ZG 1 Blenheim  Nordsee: Pl.Qu. Ida-Dora 16.10 Refer: Williams re. Perry

Also, I know only about one additional claim on this period of I./ZG 1:

15.04.40 Uffz. Helmut Eberlein: - 3./ZG 1 Hudson  W. Skaggerrak 15.50 Refer: Prien/Bock re. Perry

And... What about Werner Streibs claim - Blenheim on 10 may 1940? Any info & confirmation?

With Best wishes, Eugen.

Mikkel Plannthin 11th October 2006 22:50

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
Yes, I mean the first claim you mention. That is the only claim of a Danish aircraft at the time of the german occupation on 9 April 1940.

For further info on the airwar over Denmark, I would refer to http://www.flensted.eu.com/

Mikkel

Franek Grabowski 12th October 2006 02:50

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
Eugene or Evgeniy?
Just a word of caution with the early claims of ZG1. Documents were lost and it is not possible to verify the data. For example, both Polish losses on 5 September could have been due to collision but there are losses on 4 September that may possibly be attributed to ZG1.

Evgeny Velichko 12th October 2006 10:45

Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
 
:) Evgeniy is more correct :) But never mind :)

2 Marius & Franek Grabowski- Thanks for info about Polish claims!

When its clear, I'am now more interested in 1940 claims of Gruppe.

For example, claims over Holland, claims over Dunkirk (i know, Tratt had 3 there - any more?)...

2 Mikkel Plannthin
Quote:

For further info on the airwar over Denmark, I would refer to http://www.flensted.eu.com/
I found interesting moment on this site:
From memoryes of Wolfgang Falck - . Turning toward the northwest, I head for Aalborg where my unit should be waiting. On the way, I see one of my Bf 110's that has force-landed in a meadow. Banking around, I can see the pilot standing on the wing surrounded by a mob of Danish soldiers- "A bad situation! What do I do?". I decided to take a chance and land, as I taxi over to the downed aircraft, there is no overt hostility from the Danish troops. The pilot explains that he was hit by ground fire and had been treated very well by the Danes who were under the command of a young captain to whom he introduces me. The pilot has already been in touch with Aalborg, which was in our hands after a paratroop drop of only a platoon. Aaiborg was already sending a replacement engine. I thanked the Danish captain for the treatment of my pilot, got back in my aircraft and continued on to Aalborg.

Bf 110 landed at Skejby Mark near Aarhus 9/4 1940. The aircraft belonged to I./ ZG 1 and was coded 2N+H?. At 08:45 hours the Bf 110 made a normal landing at Skejby Mark due to engine problems. Sources: Helme, CP, JJ.

http://www.flensted.eu.com/german1940/400409skejby.jpg (Via Herluf Rasmussen)


Am I right?


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