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Jim P. 13th January 2015 01:52

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
And for the 2nd part -

Hannig, Norbert, Ltn., 42, JG 54, JG 7, DKiG, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Scutts, JG 54; Boehme, JG 7
Haala, Sigurd, Oblt., 42, JG 54, DKiG, Stkp. POW on 21-Aug-44 due to Flak., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock
Plücker, Karl-Heinz, Oblt., 42, JG 52, DKiG, Stkp. KIA on 10-May-44 due to Flak., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Barbas, I./JG 52; Fast, JG 52, IV, p. 124
Gabl, Josef, FhjOfw., 42, JG 51, DKiG, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Aders/Held, JG 51
Reinhold, Gerhard, Ofw., 41+, JG 5, JG 7, DKiG, KIA on 4-Apr-45. 250~ ff, Girbig, JG 5; Boehme, JG 7; Foreman/Harvey, Me262 Combat Diary
Saborowski, Rudolf, Ofw., 41, JG 3, DKiG, KIA on 8-Jul-42 due to Luftkampf with Pe-2 and MiG-3., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien, III./JG 3
Schneider, Gerhard, Ltn., 41, JG 51, JGr.Ost, DKiG, KIA on 5-Jan-44., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Aders/Held, JG 51
Boos, Hans, Oblt., 41, JG 3, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 21-Apr-43 in Luftkamp., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51
Schwarz, Günther, Fw., 40~, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 24-Oct-43 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51
Segatz, Hermann, Hptm., 40, JG 26, JG 51, JG 5, JG 1, DKiG, KIA on 8-Mar-44 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, II; Aders/Held, JG 51; Girbig, JG 5
Hessel, Bernhard, Fw., 40, JG 51, DKiG, MIA on 2-Sep-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Aders/Held, JG 51
Heitkamp, Walter, Ofw., 40, JG 52, DKiG, KIC 7-Apr-43. (28 doc.), O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Barbas, I./JG 52; Fast, JG 52
Schütte, Josef, Ofw., 40, JG 3, DKiG, KIA on 4-Dec-43 due to Luftkampf with P-47s., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3
Lausch, Bernard, Ofw., 40, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 4-Jul-42., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51
Bremer, Peter, Fw., 40, JG 54, DKiG, POW on 13-Jul-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Scutts, JG 54
Seckel, Georg, Hptm., 40, JG 77, JGr. 200, JG 4, DKiG, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien, JG 77, III, IV
Hähnlein, Georg, Ltn., 40, JG 54, , KIA on 25-Aug-44., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Scutts, JG 54

Edward L. Hsiao 5th February 2015 11:43

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Gentlemen,

According to some sources,Hermann Segatz had seven US four-motor bombers among his 40 air kills. He had about five air kills during the Battle of Britain. His Western air kills are almost about equal to his Soviet ones. I maybe wrong. I kind of was surprised that Segatz wasn't awarded the Knight's Cross after his death.

Sincerely,

Edward L. Hsiao

Edward L. Hsiao 27th February 2015 09:42

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Gentlemen,

Oberfeldwebel Kurt Fritz Celtjen had 54 victories by August 1943 when he was wounded in action. He was a DKiG winner of 5/JG-54. His score maybe higher when he recovered. I had been looking at Kracker Archives lately.

Some other sources had put Oberfeldwebel Wilhelm Theimann of JG-51 at about 55 victories. A DKiG winner.

Sincerely,

Edward L. Hsiao

Johannes 28th February 2015 10:45

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Hi Eduard

I can find no claims at all for Celtjeh, plus no DKiG......A phantom. With Theimann DKiG was awarded 31st March 1943 after twenty-seven confirmations, total forty-two in the East. D.O.B 13th January 1920.
Segatz DKiG on 25th September 1942 after twenty-eight confirmations, Total thirty-three confirmed: 20 in East, 13 West including four heavy bombers. D.O.B 29th June 1917......also at least three unconfirmed...including two heavies.

Regards

Johannes

Jim P. 1st March 2015 19:43

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
No loss for a Kurt Celtjen either.

KrisJG3 25th July 2015 20:35

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Richard Quante 41 in the East 1912-14th August 1942

Flugzeug 6./JG 51 FF Fw Richard Quante DK in Gold 49 Luftsiege 41


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Edward L. Hsiao 27th June 2016 11:05

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Gentlemen,

I still need to study the information of these successful aces from these posts.

Sincerely,

Edward L. Hsiao

Johannes 27th June 2016 12:29

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Hi Edward

Hans Ellendt now fifty-eight confirmed claims. He died on 25th May 2007. In 1945 tanks were counted as aircraft(however I don't count them......they didn't fly), so Ellendt claimed fifty-six before being wounded on 28th December 1943, then returned to combat in 1945 and claimed two more aircraft, and four tanks. He claimed much Russian material on the ground during 1942-1943.

Manfred Eberwein is still living, but has been very ill for quite some time.

Kind Regards

Johannes

Andrew Arthy 27th June 2016 12:49

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Hi,

Sadly, Manfred Eberwein passed away several years ago.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
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Edward L. Hsiao 27th October 2016 23:58

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Hello,

Still need to study this excellent topic!

Edward L. Hsiao

lpunktlpunkt 9th November 2016 17:53

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Hi Johannes,

you mentioned that you would be willing to share the biographies that you compiled for the listed pilots.

Could you maybe share your files through https://www.mediafire.com/ or dropbox? If you do not want to put them out as an open link, I would also be interested in sharing data through email! Maybe you want to send me a PM through this forum? (I am new here and have not really figured out how to do this yet.)

Thank you very much!
LpunktLpunkt

lpunktlpunkt 22nd November 2016 11:02

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Hi Johannes,

are you still willing to share your detailed biographies of those pilots? I would be interested in getting as many of them as possible for a research project.

- LL

Edward L. Hsiao 2nd November 2017 02:27

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Gentlemen,

I see that Alfred Lehner is on one of the lists. I wonder if he scored any victories while flying the Me-262? Any four-engined bombers to his credit? I know that Lehner's final score is uncertain.

Sincerely,


Edward L. Hsiao

Edward L. Hsiao 28th January 2020 10:55

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Gentlemen,

This is still being an interesting topic to study. A lot of German aces on the list were KIA or MIA. I was wondering about Ferdinand Vogl 33 victories score. Were they all claimed while fighting over Africa? What kind of postwar career did Vogl had?
Edward L. Hsiao

Edward L. Hsiao 9th July 2021 15:26

Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
 
Need more study about this topic. That's why I brought it up front.

Edward L. Hsiao


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