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Evgeny Velichko 24th March 2015 20:51
Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
Hi all!

After we could recognise 4 aircrafts with crews from ZG1 (report I'll post a bit later), we have 1 more place to dig-out a Bf110.

Some sources say, that it was in 1943 - so, the only fariant is Battle over Blue line, so it is spring 1943. ZG1 was out of there at that moment.

That mean, it could be only reconaissance aircraft.

I am a bit dumb in recons. Could someone help us with possible Bf110 recoon units on that period and place (Luftflotte 4, spring 1943), and possible losses?

Andrey Kuznetsov 24th March 2015 21:46
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
Hello Evgeny,

Maybe Bf110E-2 from Fl.Fü.Krim? Shot down by AA fire on 5.May.1943 NE Temryuk. Far a bit from Krymskaya, but I can't find other a/c (if we ignore 10./ZG1)

Best regards,
Andrey

Evgeny Velichko 24th March 2015 21:55
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
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Yes, we are aware about Heinrich Melchart 's a/c shot down on 28 may over Krymskaya...

Here is a shield.
GWF, so it COULD be a recoon ...

Andrey Kuznetsov 24th March 2015 22:11
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
Very interesting. How far it from Krymskaya?

Evgeny Velichko 24th March 2015 22:51
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
Few kilometres to the East.

Andrey Kuznetsov 24th March 2015 23:05
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
If exclude the unknown (for me) loss in 1941-43, theoretically it maybe recce a/c lost in Jan.-Apr.1944. Maybe Matti Salonen will make it clear.

Bf110E-2 from Fl.Fü.Krim fell in the swamp area NE Temryuk certainly, some evidences from the land forces of both sides are exist.

Evgeny Velichko 24th March 2015 23:14
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
It could be:
08.09.1942
6./ZG 1
Bf 110E-1 W.Nr.3434
Bei Krimskaja
Motorstörung infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 60 %.

But anyway, after weather will be better, guys will try to dig them out.

Andrey Kuznetsov 25th March 2015 00:07
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 198369)
It could be:
08.09.1942
6./ZG 1
Bf 110E-1 W.Nr.3434
Bei Krimskaja
Motorstörung infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 60 %.
Really, maybe it is the plane in question

Matti Salonen 25th March 2015 07:49
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
I have the following Bf 110 -losses (100 %) in the East for Luftflotte 4:
4.1.1943 NASt. Schmidt (Fleischmann) Bf 110 E-3 2398 6T+FA (Morosowskaja) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
6.1.1943 II/ZG 1 Bf 110 F-2 5130 Fl.Pl. Schachty Bombenexplosion. Bruch 100 %.
7.1.1943 NASt. Schmidt (Fleischmann) Bf 110 E-3 2410 5D+GL Tazinskaja Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
8.1.1943 1./ZG 1 Bf 110 D 3161 Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
8.1.1943 6./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4493 S9+JP Südwestlich Ssemikarakorskaja Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
10.1.1943 6./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4402 S9+IP Nishnyi-Wjasowyj Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %.
21.1.1943 3./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-1 5143 S9+BL Nordöstlich Kamensk Erdabwehr. Bruch 100 %.
21.1.1943 4./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-2 4522 S9+PM Kamensk Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
28.1.1943 Stabsst./St.G 2 Bf 110 F-3 5179 T6+FA 12 km südöstlich Kamensk Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
30.1.1943 3.(H)/11 (NAGr. 1) Bf 110 E-3 2325 Fl.Pl. Krasnodar Absturz nach Start. Bruch 100 %.
2.2.1943 Stabsst./St.G 77 Bf 110 F-2 5178 Rostow-Nord Absturz nach Start infolge Motorschaden. Bruch 100 %.
6.2.1943 Stabsst./St.G 77 Bf 110 E-3 2449 S2+LA Raum Bataisk Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
22.2.1943 3.(H)/11 (NAGr. 1) Bf 110 F-2 5123 6M+DL Matwejew Kurgan Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
24.2.1943 4./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 5225 S9+UM Dobrowolje, 30 km nördlich Sslawjansk Feindbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
24.2.1943 6./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-2 2554 Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
24.2.1943 Stabsst./St.G 77 Bf 110 F-3 5111 S2+KA Kramatorskoje Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
27.2.1943 5./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4098 Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
28.2.1943 4./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4083 S9+KM 6 km nordwestlich Losowaja Notlandung. Bruch 100 %.
5.3.1943 6./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4045 Taranowa Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %.
8.3.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 E-1 3923 Kasmokust Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %.
23.3.1943 1./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 6139 Pjatnitzkoje Absturz infolge Flakbeschuá und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
25.3.1943 1./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 3257 Westlich Bataisk Luftkampf mit LaGG-3. Bruch 100 %.
29.3.1943 2./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 5259 Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
31.3.1943 3.(H)/11 (NAGr. 1) Bf 110 F-3 5113 6M+CL (Nowotscherkassk - Schachty) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
29.4.1943 3./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-2 3756 S9+OL Südlich Petrowka Flakbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
2.5.1943 3./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 6203 S9+XL Nowoderkul bei Goroditsche Infanteriebeschuá. Bruch 100 %.
4.5.1943 3./NAGr. 4 (NAGr. 4) Bf 110 G-3 4824 L8+AL Bei Ponyri, westlich Beresowyj Notlandung infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
5.5.1943 Fl.Führer Krim (NAGr. 9) Bf 110 E-2 4027 Nordöstlich Temrjuk Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
6.5.1943 3.(H)/11 (NAGr. 14) Bf 110 F-3 5169 6M+KL Südlich Krassny-Liman Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
28.5.1943 10./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 6258 2N+PU Krymskaja Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
4.6.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 G-3 5395 Jatschnew-Kolodes, 4 km nördlich Bjelgorod Jügerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
6.6.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 G-3 4828 8H+GK Raum Kupjansk Vermutlich Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
11.6.1943 Fl.Führer Krim (NAGr. 9) Bf 110 E-1 3460 Bei Alibai Absturz und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
9.7.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 G-3 5406 8H+CK Strelezkoje Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
24.7.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 G-3 4838 8H+PK Weterinar Bruchlandung infolge Nebel. Bruch 80 %.
10.9.1943 4./NJG 200 Bf 110 G-2 6391 300 m nordwestlich Fischerei Bajkiat, Raion Ak-Metschek Absturz in Meer 300 m von Küste. Bruch 100 %.
16.9.1943 Küstenfl.St. Krim Bf 110 F-2 5045 1K+CU Südlich Noworossijsk Absturz in See nach Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
20.9.1943 Küstenfl.St. Krim Bf 110 F-3 5175 1K+DU Seegebiet Anapa-Noworossijsk Absturz in See nach Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
23.9.1943 5./NJG 200 Bf 110 G-2 6248 2N+BU 8 km nördlich Kap Achelion (Taman-Halbinsel) Notlandung auf See nach Luftkampt. Bruch 100 %.
8.10.1943 Küstenfl.St. Krim Bf 110 F-2 5173 1K+BU Seegebiet Anapa Vermutlich Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
8.12.1943 Küstenfl.St. Krim Bf 110 E-3 2493 8 km südwestlich Suja Friedental Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.

There might be more, but my data is incomplete. For 1944 I cannot find any candidates and for 1942 there are too many.

Matti

gogh 25th March 2015 18:56
Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?
 
quote from the above list

25.3.1943 1./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 3257 Westlich Bataisk Luftkampf mit LaGG-3. Bruch 100 %.

Is this WNr. correct ? I thought this is in the C-4 range. Or is it WNr.6257

Regards
Peter van Gogh


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