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Marc-André Haldimann 3rd October 2011 11:02

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Dobro Srecko,

Thanks for your praise. The colour shot of this G-10 does not convey what a black and white picture does show: an overall RLM 83 camouflage with probably natural metal wings undersurfaces, like W.Nr. 152 3.3.

The G-10 colour shot was taken at Grafenwöhr airfield, in May 1945. I wil try to put my hand again on the b/w photograph and post it.

Cheers
Marc

Pilot 3rd October 2011 11:56

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Thank you Marc- all clear :)

Oberst 3rd October 2011 16:08

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
The Me109G-10 "Gigi" with the small fin IMO is "Black 7" not "White 11" I have a very clear photo (ie: neutral contrast) and there's no hint of an white eleven. I beleive, (like Me109G-10 "white 11, Rosemarie") this is also a JG 51 machine.

Otherwise a very nice album, thanks for posting it! =)

Cpt_Farrel 3rd October 2011 16:24

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 135111)
Dobro Srecko,

Thanks for your praise. The colour shot of this G-10 does not convey what a black and white picture does show: an overall RLM 83 camouflage with probably natural metal wings undersurfaces, like W.Nr. 152 3.3.

The G-10 colour shot was taken at Grafenwöhr airfield, in May 1945. I wil try to put my hand again on the b/w photograph and post it.

Cheers
Marc

I believe that at least some of these aircraft might actually have been painted in two dark colors alhough with low contrast - perhaps getting even lower due to thin applications. The reason is that the black and white photo showing the G-10 at Grafenwöhr has faint lines demarcation lines that could just have been various thickness of paint, but then there's similar lines in similar places on other aircraft opening for the possibility of a pattern of some sort.

/ Anders

EDIT: I updated my old profile of this aircraft. The choice of colors are just a theory but it looks the part in black and white. When I looked at the colorphoto of this aircraft I noticed from the wing leading edges that it seems to have had RLM75/83 wings.
http://www.cptfarrels.com/blog/Bf109...doned_1024.jpg

Pilot 3rd October 2011 17:41

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Cpt Farell- profile of the same machine is published in Bf109G/K Horst Serie in France

Cpt_Farrel 3rd October 2011 20:11

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
For comparison I did another profile for my blog based on a photo found at Neil Pages blog a long time ago. The photo depicts the right hand side of an Erla built G-10 and shows what could be a camoflagepattern that would fit nicely with the one seen on the left hand side of the "Grafenwöhr G-10".

Now I'll quit hi-jacking this thread, sorry... Got carried away. :)

http://www.cptfarrels.com/blog/Bf109...0JG11_1024.jpg

Marc-André Haldimann 3rd October 2011 21:20

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Anders,

Thanks for your profiles. I concur for the Grafenwöhr machine, but not for W.Nr. 150 119 and 152 3.3. Those are obviously overall RLM 83 machines.

As for "Gigi", I jet can't remember posting it: getting old those days;-))

Cheers
Marc

Cpt_Farrel 3rd October 2011 21:33

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
150 119 is hard to judge since the photo is a little bleached on it's own but you might be right. 152 3.3. might just have some different shades though. Look at the area on the front half of the enginecowling for example.

I think it will be impossible to be certain of any of these schemes but at least we can be certain that it's Erla built aircraft we're dealing with. :)

Cheers! / Anders

Rasmussen 3rd October 2011 21:38

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
W.Nr. 150 119 didn't exist.

Regards
Rasmussen

Marc-André Haldimann 3rd October 2011 23:14

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 
Anders,

I will look at 152 3.3 with a calm head... ASAP.

Rasmussen,

Thanks for your input; may I ask for your source?

Thanks in advance
Marc


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