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Andy Mitchell 16th December 2023 22:58

2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
Good evening,

I have been passed the following information by a fellow researcher:-

2. (F)/Nacht Do 217 M-1 (K7+FK) crashed on 13/14 June 1944 at 01.30 hrs behind enemy lines.

Crew:

Lt. Gerhard Ehlert (F).
Uffz. Karl-Heinz Williges (Bf) KIA - flak splinter
Ofw.FW Hanns Schlotter (B) KIA in subsequent crash.
Fw Willi Burr (Bs)

The information comes from "Vom Himmel in die Hölle" (From heaven to hell) by Lt Gerhard Ehlert.

Around this time 2. (F)/Nacht were operating from Baranowicze.

Can anyone provide any further information relating to this loss?

Any help much appreciated.

Andy Mitchell 17th December 2023 09:13

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
With regard to the book - it's author is not Ehlert but Christian Huber and the publisher is Rosenheimer.

Ehlert and Burr were captured by the Russians, while attempting to return to German lines, and became POWs.

Also found this previous discussion related to the book - http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ghlight=Ehlert

Chris Goss 17th December 2023 09:38

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
Andy-what else are you after? An account of his demise is in my book on the Do 217

Andy Mitchell 17th December 2023 13:54

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
Chris,

Just confirmation that the basic facts/details are correct.

This will then be added to the 2. (F)/Nacht wiki page.

All the best

Chris Goss 17th December 2023 14:48

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
At 1700 hrs on 14 June 1944, Lt Gerhard Ehlert and his crew from 2. Nachtaufklärungsstaffel were assigned to take photos of the railway and roads around Sarny following an attack the previous night. They took off from Baranowitschi in a Do 217M-1 coded K7+FK, apparently the personal aircraft of their Staffelkapitän Hptm Paul Palmer, at around 2130 hrs and headed east. Approaching the target they climbed to an altitude of 1500m and prepared to take photos by using photo flash bombs but the bomb doors didn't open so they went down to 200m for visual reconnaissance and reported via radio.

However, on their return flight the Beobachter Ofw Hanns Schlotter became unsure of their location and flew into the range of a Soviet flak battery which quickly damaged the rudder. The last message that Luftflotte 2 heard from Ehlert and his crew was at 0115 hrs. The right engine had been hit first and burst into fire. They slowed down and gradually lost altitude. Ehlert was sitting in the front on the left, behind him the Bordmechaniker, about 50cm higher than the Beobachter. This meant that their feet were not injured when they hit the ground but the Beobachter, who sat lower in the cockpit, had his legs torn off in the crash-landing and he died almost immediately. Shrapnel had also hit the cockpit and mortally wounded Uffz Karl-Heinz Williges (BF) but Ehlert had managed to land in the Pripet Marshes. He was able to climb out and Fw Wilhelm Burr (BM) also got out of the burning wreckage but with severe burns to hands and face. Both survivors wanted to get to the German lines, some 60 km to the west. Resting by day and walking at night they attempted to escape but on the second day they tried to get some food in a small village but villagers informed Soviet soldiers and they were soon captured. Gerhard Ehlert did not return home until December 1949.

AndyMa 17th December 2023 16:24

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
So this loss was actually on the night of 14/15 June 1944, not as in the title?

Andy Mitchell 17th December 2023 20:41

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
Many thanks Chris. Most helpful with circumstance, sortie and location of crash.

Interesting difference in dates as the information passed to me comes from the original Christian Huber book written in conjunction with Gerhard Ehlert. I will get confirmation, or otherwise, from my source.

All the best

Stig Jarlevik 18th December 2023 16:16

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
Is the WNr known?
Cheers
Stig

Chris Goss 20th December 2023 10:51

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
326220?

Stig Jarlevik 20th December 2023 11:40

Re: 2.(F)/Nacht loss 13/14 June 1944
 
Thanks Chris

So not 100% identified? Is the NVM silent?

Cheers
Stig


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