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PMoz99 16th July 2018 16:15

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Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 254889)
I thought I could extremely faintly see "494" Paul, so maybe you have a point here.

Is this one of the all black intruder Hurricanes? No roundels on the top wings?
If so, why no cannons?
I actually initially dismissed it as pretty uninteresting. Hopefully someone can make a bit more out of it than me....:o

Cheers
Stig

It certainly looks like 4841 to me, which by the production list I have would make it Z4841, a Hurricane I from Block 3 produced by from Gloster as part of an order for 1700 a/c. The block was delivered between July 1940 and August 1941, this a/c possibly early in 1941 if they were produced in serial number order. 53 of the block were used as instructional/maintenance airframes.
Peter

Stig Jarlevik 16th July 2018 16:53

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Originally Posted by PMoz99 (Post 254893)
It certainly looks like 4841 to me, which by the production list I have would make it Z4841, a Hurricane I from Block 3 produced by from Gloster as part of an order for 1700 a/c. The block was delivered between July 1940 and August 1941, this a/c possibly early in 1941 if they were produced in serial number order. 53 of the block were used as instructional/maintenance airframes.
Peter

Just one problem here Peter

Z4841 was used by one single operational squadron, 237, which never was in Europe (Italy) until 1944.
Z4841 caught fire in the air and was abandoned 22 Nov 1941, the same day the unit officially moved to LG 128 in North Africa

Cheers
Stig

PMoz99 16th July 2018 17:17

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Hmmm. What about Z4941?

paulmcmillan 16th July 2018 17:58

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Yes Z4941

https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hurrican...-Malta-01.html

Stig Jarlevik 16th July 2018 18:09

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Originally Posted by PMoz99 (Post 254898)
Hmmm. What about Z4941?

Well Peter

It seems that aircraft (a Hurricane IIB) was basically at Malta all its life and was even for a short while with a Royal Navy Fleet Requirements Unit on the Island.
It was SOC on 30 June 1945. Not quite what, at least I feel, the photo shows.

I think we need to identify where in Europe this is and why it is sold on the German e-bay. Coming from a German album perhaps? I can't even locate any seller :o ....
Also is really an all black Hurricane and which Mark is it? I am lousy on Hurricanes myself

Cheers
Stig

Stig Jarlevik 16th July 2018 18:11

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Originally Posted by paulmcmillan (Post 254901)

So much for my general knowledge about Malta....:D
Thanks for solving the problem Paul

Cheers
Stig

PMoz99 17th July 2018 05:42

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Originally Posted by paulmcmillan (Post 254901)

Thanks from me too, Paul!
But I question the caption that it is a Mk IIb. The 2 outer guns on each wing should be clearly visible, but they're not.
So, were they removed in the field and the openings faired over?
My production list says Z4941 was a Mk IIa, which would match what I see in the photo.
Cheers
Peter

Stig Jarlevik 17th July 2018 09:31

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Originally Posted by PMoz99 (Post 254932)
Thanks from me too, Paul!
But I question the caption that it is a Mk IIb. The 2 outer guns on each wing should be clearly visible, but they're not.
So, were they removed in the field and the openings faired over?
My production list says Z4941 was a Mk IIa, which would match what I see in the photo.
Cheers
Peter

Keen eyes Peter? :)
Yes you are correct, this Hurricane was built as a Mk IIa and later converted to Mk IIb standard. No date is given unfortunately. Reasonably the accident visible was then before the conversion?

Cheers
Stig

PMoz99 17th July 2018 09:52

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Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 254938)
Keen eyes Peter? :)


Cheers
Stig

Multiple good large screens with varying contrasts/colour depths ......

Snautzer 18th July 2018 12:52

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  1. Breguet 270 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-WK-II-K...MAAOSwzbdbTf07


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