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knusel 29th June 2018 13:24

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Yes, it makes sense that those who still had to fly an old biplane received the newest Bf109 subtype.

Michael

sidney 29th June 2018 21:09

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Gentlemen,

If I may, there is a number of good books on the Legion Condor available on Amazon.com (co.uk or elsewhere). You should be able to find most, if not all, answers to your queries there. In any case, it is a good way to start your research.

Regards,
Sinisa

knusel 1st July 2018 20:59

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Good evening,

in that book
https://www.amazon.de/Aces-Legion-Co...on+condor+aces
Robert Forsyth says that 6-79 was photographed with 15 kill bars.
That implies that all Spain kills of Mölders were scored in a Bf109D.

Kind regards,

Michael

PMoz99 5th July 2018 08:30

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Yes, so it does. I missed that.
So long as Forsythe didn't assume it was 6o79, there is your answer.
Peter

knusel 5th July 2018 10:21

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Good morning Peter,

I don't understand your last sentence.

Best greetings from Brandenburg,

Michael

PMoz99 5th July 2018 11:46

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knusel (Post 254348)
Good morning Peter,

I don't understand your last sentence.

Best greetings from Brandenburg,

Michael

If the only photo available is of the tail, Forsythe may have simply assumed it is 6o79. Have we found a photo showing the whole a/c with 15 bars on the tail? Laureau's book's profile shows it with no kill markings - is that because he acknowledges it is uncertain?
Similarly, there is considerable dispute as to the colours the aircraft were painted. Forsythe says 6o79 was painted with RLM62 uppers, other say RLM63. There are similar issues with many other SCW aircraft. I don't yet know who or what is right. One source quotes a Lynn Richter, who is held up to be a Bf109 expert. Richter apparently says they would have been RLM63.
As for the suggestion of more books, I have 2 and can access information from a third, and none answer the questions - how many do we buy?? I also lament that they all seem to present conflicting information in some areas, so what's the point? Is it simply that there is not enough solid information available to answer the questions?
Peter

knusel 6th July 2018 10:28

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Good morning Peter,

yes, sometimes buying another book in hope for clarification just increases the confusion :-( Forum discussions are often a better means than buying more books than one can read in limited leisure time.

I suggest pronouncing Mölders the top Bf109D ace until proof of the opposite.
Could you agree that Boddem and Harder are the joint top Bf109B aces ?

Sorry that I cannot answer your colour question,

Michael

Snautzer 10th July 2018 13:36

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Bf109 https://www.ebay.de/itm/selt-Archiv-....c100005.m1851

PMoz99 10th July 2018 15:22

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
Thanks Snautzer!

knusel 15th July 2018 21:12

Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor
 
I cannot discern any individual planes on these photos.
Did Legion pilots indicate their own plane type in their combat reports like WW2 pilots did ?


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