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Snautzer 5th April 2018 13:27

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Hi Larry, see the resemblance on this tower protecting a railroad. A little bit different one in mg34 but basic design looks the same. Wich make sence because the firing of the Flak gun would cause quite some stress on the woodwork construction.
  1. Flak37 https://www.dropbox.com/home/Evidence%20in%20Camera%201942-1944/Evidence%20in%20camera/Evidence%20in%20camera%20Vol.%206%201-12%201944?preview=Wooden+Flak+tower_1.jpg
  2. Flak37 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Schonebeck-E...UAAOSwrfVZQYSu
  3. Flak37 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fl...EAAOSwPnNauj2I
Mg34 tower https://www.ebay.de/itm/M278-WH-Flak...gAAOSw~OdVeqFV

I have read that Germans also uses tactics in combatting the attacking planes post d-day by using the mobile units in ever changing places around these towers and other dug in positions. These could really spoil a low flying attackers day.
  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-1942-Russland-Schweres-SDKfz-Halbkette-mit-Vierlings-Flak-Aufbau-Top/323176743585?hash=item4b3ed5c2a1:g:BNYAAOSwoupaskz U ,
  2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-foto-De...sAAOSw629awoiB
Another read: Flak Facts a Brief History of-Flak and Flak Intelligence in the Ninth Air Force 9-may 1945

,

Snautzer 5th April 2018 13:48

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  1. Autograph-jagdflieger-jg27-Hans-Joachim-Marseille https://www.ebay.de/itm/Autogramm-Au...AAAOSwM99avKzt
  2. Radar Wurzburg, Nanterre 1941 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Ra...gAAOSwL9pau6YT
  3. Luftwaffe-Flak-Kommandogerat-unter-der-Tarnkuppel (camo tent) -Saarbrucken https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf...0AAOSw~3pacaVe
  4. How was this made?? Looks like a scene from Il2 game Flak-Zielubungen-auf-Flugzeuge-in-Holland- https://www.ebay.de/itm/7-x-Foto-Luf...0AAOSwKQ9Z8Hu4

Larry deZeng 5th April 2018 16:25

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Snautzer - thanks for the additional information in your Post #321, above. The comment about the photo interpreters not being able to tell dummy and unoccupied Flak positions from those that were occupied and active is too true. Most of the Luftwaffe aerial photos for the Eastern Front airfields were taken from 7,500 - 8,000 meters and while all or most of the Flak positions are shown, the annotations made on the print by the interpreters never provide information stating which were occupied and which unoccupied. Flak towers were a rarity in the East, too, but rooftops on the airfields were definitely used.

For every measure initiated by the Allies, the Germans came up with a countermeasure and vice versa.

Thanks again,

L.

edwest2 5th April 2018 18:30

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I have seen photos of light flak guns on rooftops on structurally suitable buildings, on flatbed trucks and on rail cars. One interesting innovation was a large concrete cylinder on a flatbed rail car with a raised wooden floor that had additional ammo stored under it.


Ed


Note: There was a post here some years ago that started with the premise of the "myth" of wooden flak towers.

Snautzer 5th April 2018 19:15

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What suprised me the German let even locomotives run by itself to attract allied flyers. As an ambush. I can make above document available to you.

edwest2 5th April 2018 21:35

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At least a few flak positions appear to have been established quickly and without the usual wall or other barrier or below ground level.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fl...75.c100623.m-1

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Flak-Geschutz-Stellung-b-See-Flugplatz-TROMSO-Norwegen-1941-Troms/392008153588?hash=item5b4581b9f4:g:QskAAOSwj

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fl...75.c100623.m-1


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fl...75.c100623.m-1


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Sc...sAAOSw4vJau5Q4

edwest2 5th April 2018 21:54

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/R026-Foto-Lu...kAAOSwWyRaxiFp

https://www.ebay.de/itm/MD201-Foto-W...MAAOSw3Z9axN4h

https://www.ebay.de/itm/MD199-Foto-W...kAAOSwIo5axN4b

https://www.ebay.de/itm/MD196-Foto-W...IAAOSw6TRaxN4U

Snautzer 6th April 2018 12:48

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  1. Aerial Hannover-Langenhagen-Luftbild-Focke-Wulf-Werke https://www.ebay.de/itm/WWII-US-Air-...4AAOSwGW9axlNx
  2. Series (20x) ( all from same album) Aufklarung-Finnland-Norwegen-Flugzeug-Bildstelle-Chronik https://www.ebay.de/sch/m.html?_odkw...ronik&_sacat=0
  3. Aufklarung-Finnland-Norwegen (+/- 40x) https://www.ebay.de/sch/m.html?_odkw...n&_sacat=15504
  4. Series Seeaufklarung-Lw-Aufklarungsgrp-126-Italien-Kreta-Sougia Ar196 7R+MK https://www.ebay.de/itm/Ansehen-Foto...cAAOSw61hadNUY

Larry deZeng 6th April 2018 15:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 250327)
What suprised me the German let even locomotives run by itself to attract allied flyers. As an ambush. I can make above document available to you.

Thanks for your kind offer, Snautzer, and I will let you know if I ever need them to examine this subject in more depth.

Cheers,

L. :)

edwest2 6th April 2018 18:51

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Here's a type of water craft I have not seen before.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotoalbum-Lu...75.c100623.m-1



Off topic photo album

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotoalbum-Ge...75.c100623.m-1

PMoz99 6th April 2018 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 250387)
Here's a type of water craft I have not seen before.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotoalbum-Lu...75.c100623.m-1



Off topic photo album

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotoalbum-Ge...75.c100623.m-1

Amazing FlaK boat Ed!
Thanks for sharing
Peter

edwest2 6th April 2018 19:14

Re: eBay: German intrest
 
You're welcome, Peter.



Ed

RT 6th April 2018 20:38

Re: eBay: German intrest
 
Siebel Fähre, well known some kind of ferry...

Rémi

Andrei Demjanko 6th April 2018 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 250387)
Here's a type of water craft I have not seen before.[/url]

It's a Siebel ferry, designed by Friedrich Siebel, who was also the owner of Siebel Flugzeugwerke

edwest2 6th April 2018 21:35

Re: eBay: German intrest
 
Thank you, Andrei. Can I assume this ferry was purpose made to carry anti-aircraft guns?




Ed

Andrei Demjanko 6th April 2018 22:50

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Ed

You are quite right. It was originally planned to use these ferries to transport AA guns for the troops who would have to land in England in the initial stages of Seelöwe

Larry deZeng 6th April 2018 23:05

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Besides the ports, rivers and canals of NE France and the Low Countries, these ferries served with distinction on Lake Ladoga to the east of Leningrad, on the Black Sea, in the Mediterranean, in the Aegean and in the Adriatic. A few were even used in the waters off NE Italy, SE France, Corsica and Sandinia. In addition to ferrying passengers and cargo, some were outfitted with Flak and others as Artillerietraeger. Some were manned by Luftwaffe personnel and others by Army (Heer) assault engineers (Sturmpioniere).

L.

edwest2 6th April 2018 23:36

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Thank you both. I've just learned something.




Best,
Ed

Snautzer 6th April 2018 23:53

Re: eBay: German intrest
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RT (Post 250395)
Siebel Fähre, well known some kind of ferry...

Rémi

No not really. I have seen 100.000's of pictures on Ebay, de or uk or usa or whatever. The apparatus is known , these pictures are not very well known at all.

Snautzer 9th April 2018 13:03

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  1. Bf109 Condor https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Messers...AAAOSwQVpaxMXO
  2. FW190 SH+?? pilot in front https://www.ebay.de/itm/Bild-Flugzeu...4AAOSwbt5aylny
  3. Unknown emblem https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-ukAA...A5/s-l1600.jpg
  4. JG53-Pik-As-Ju88-KG-77 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Hammer-Fotoa...wAAOSw3Z9aymeJ
  5. Blohm-Vos BV142 in the air https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-2-WK-Fl....c100005.m1851
  6. Ju52 Minensuchstaffel notice the magnetic device https://www.ebay.de/itm/ORIG-FOTO-JU...IAAOSwXkJayipm
  7. Hs126 P2+BR Russia https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Hensche...EAAOSwISFaympi
  8. Siebel 204 1944 notice 1 on tailplane https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Siebel-...sAAOSwoGNaymfO
  9. Bf109K 1944 Salzwedel Reichsverteidigung JG5 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Bf-109-...0AAOSwxJlaymc6

RT 9th April 2018 16:54

Re: eBay: German intrest
 
No not really. I have seen 100.000's of pictures on Ebay, de or uk or usa or whatever. The apparatus is known , these pictures are not very well known at all.

I mean, sorry, the "thing" is well known, a must among "Bastler"

Rémi

Snautzer 9th April 2018 22:51

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  1. NAA-64-mit-Balkenkreuz https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf...QAAOSww1hay6y0
@ remi plse read again. Notice these

Maciej Góralczyk 9th April 2018 23:26

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In #340:

2. This Fw 190 A-4 appeared on other photos included in an album coming from a former SG 2 member that had been sold a few years back. The full code is SH+HO or SH+HQ (hard to read due to compression of the photo preview), which gives us WNr. 0140 767 or WNr. 0140 769. Possibly belonged to SG 103.

9. Bf 109 G-6 "White 1" of StaKa 4./JG 5, Oblt. Günther Schwanecke.

Snautzer 11th April 2018 13:37

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  1. re-sale! (13 Okt 2015) Nachtjagdlehrgang-5 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-fot...gAAOSwj1haawzX

edwest2 12th April 2018 04:00

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https://www.emedals.com/the-awards-f...acuation-pilot

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/61/...3__303161.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/47/...rt__30747.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/32/...4__286332.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/41/...r__235441.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/40/...5__193240.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/81/...6__197781.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/89/...2__287189.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/24/...n__243724.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/06/...n__207806.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/68/...g__177268.html

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/35/...I__139335.html

Snautzer 13th April 2018 13:46

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  1. Color-Slides-Wasserflugzeug-Griechenland-Greece-1941 https://www.ebay.de/itm/3-Original-F...0AAOSwkRha0F7O
  2. He60 S6+F24 https://www.ebay.de/itm/3-Fotos-Flug...cAAOSwSiJazRkj
  3. Radar Near Vienna https://www.ebay.de/itm/8-8-cm-Stell...kAAOSw7WJaz5nV

RudiS 13th April 2018 17:34

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damaged Fw 58 with FFS (c) 15 emblem:
https://dybk0q.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-ORIGIN...19.m1438.l2649

Looks like the pilot sitting next to it can't believe what happened to his nice little plane.

Regards,
Rudi

Snautzer 13th April 2018 23:27

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  1. IAR80 Rumanian 1941 https://www.ebay.de/itm/R380-Foto-We...EAAOSwcFVazjWZ
  2. Fliegerbomben-Bereitstellung-bei-Luzk-Ukraine notice Jericho pipes https://www.ebay.de/itm/Deutsche-Fli...0AAOSwX0Fa0KSV
  3. Siebel ferry https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-2-WK-Ru...sAAOSwqxRa0K2x
  4. Siebel ferry https://www.ebay.de/itm/TOP-Foto-2-W...IAAOSw7UJa0LsZ
  5. Siebel ferry https://www.ebay.de/itm/TOP-Foto-2-W...wAAOSw~TBa0L5O
  6. Siebel ferry https://www.ebay.de/itm/TOP-Foto-2-W...8AAOSwKT9a0L6T

edwest2 13th April 2018 23:35

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https://militariaplaza.nl/documents-...uping-3-detail


https://www.ebay.de/itm/TOP-Foto-2-W...UAAOSw6yJa0LdI

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf...sAAOSwv2taz5aP

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Konvolut-Flu...oAAOSwNSZa0RPD

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Messers...IAAOSw9cFa0O~-

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...wAAOSwFE9a0I50

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu....c100005.m1851

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-I-Flakk...75.c100623.m-1



Flugbuch - copy

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Flugbuch-St-...sAAOSw1Rdazwbx

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Flugbuch-Fri...UAAOSwAy5aynDb

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Flugbuch-Wal...IAAOSwhuxax9N0

edwest2 15th April 2018 01:35

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Documents - as usual, buyer beware.


https://www.hiscoll.com/gallery.php#prettyPhoto/441/

https://www.hiscoll.com/gallery.php#prettyPhoto/311/

https://www.hiscoll.com/gallery.php#prettyPhoto/519/

https://www.hiscoll.com/shop.php?ps=1#prettyPhoto[40661]/0/

https://www.hiscoll.com/shop.php?ps=1#prettyPhoto[40647]/0/

https://www.hiscoll.com/shop.php?ps=1#prettyPhoto[39725]/0/

https://www.hiscoll.com/shop.php?ps=1&pg=2#prettyPhoto[29434]/0/

https://www.hiscoll.com/shop.php?ps=1&pg=2#prettyPhoto[28799]/0/

https://www.hiscoll.com/shop.php?ps=1&pg=4#prettyPhoto[25459]/0/

edwest2 15th April 2018 05:51

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A shame that we now have another award document for Heinz Frister.


http://www.eaglerelics.com/deutsche-...npokal-winner/

Snautzer 15th April 2018 23:15

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  1. Jg53 Frankreich-1940 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...IAAOSwUF9a05OP
  2. NJG-200-Ostpreusen-Insterburg-1944 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...8AAOSwAzJa05F~

Snautzer 16th April 2018 13:39

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  1. Hs126 4P+AP (?) https://www.ebay.de/itm/WK-II-Nahauf...8AAOSwLlJa0zbX
  2. Caudron-C-445 CD+KZ https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...gAAOSw~P9ayk4Y
  3. Ju87 Condor https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fl...oAAOSwwBNaxgbH
  4. Ju88 1./KG54 https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...4/192509943441
  5. JG52 300-Feindlfug notice wooden board https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf...4AAOSwC6haqjuO

edwest2 16th April 2018 19:06

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Me....c100011.m1850


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Ju...75.c100623.m-1


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-le...MAAOSwBYFayJGX


https://www.ebay.de/itm/R172-Fotos-W....c100005.m1851


https://www.ebay.de/itm/R149-Foto-We....c100005.m1851


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Einmarsch-in...75.c100623.m-1


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Einmarsch-in...75.c100623.m-1


https://www.ebay.de/itm/R507-Foto-We...oAAOSwTORa1FdB


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Junkers-Ju-5...0AAOSwtrha1IMf


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-foto-Lu...8AAOSwfZta0MqI


https://www.ebay.de/itm/2-Orig-Foto-...sAAOSw7fBa050f


https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-Orig-Foto-....c100005.m1851


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Consoli....c100005.m1851


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-norwegi...gAAOSwbLZa0Ljl


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-abgesch...gAAOSw8nBa1OHP


https://www.ebay.de/itm/ORIGINAL-Wap...cAAOSwwoZa0umG








Off topic
Variant SS camo pattern

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Einmarsch-in...0AAOSw0aNazjkX

Kaiyan 17th April 2018 17:02

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re..No354
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-norwegi...gAAOSwbLZa0Ljl

This is an AW 35 Scimitar one of four delivered to Norway.

edwest2 17th April 2018 19:36

Re: eBay: German intrest
 
Thank you for that information.



Ed

edwest2 18th April 2018 02:40

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https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Soldat-...75.c100623.m-1


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fliegerfried...oAAOSwZ~ha1QRc


https://www.ebay.de/itm/U157-Messers...4AAOSwDDxa1d-7


https://www.ebay.de/itm/org-Foto-Weh...EAAOSwSUJa1hrE


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-Fot...UAAOSwNlla1egG


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Flugplatz-Fl...IAAOSwc~5a1cez


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Rumanien-Rum...AAAOSweKda1Z1J

Snautzer 18th April 2018 13:31

Re: eBay: German intrest
 
  1. 1-Gruppe-Schlachtgeschwader-2-Tunesien-1942-Afrika cooks https://www.ebay.de/itm/die-Kuchenju...YAAOSweI9a1Pum

Snautzer 18th April 2018 23:17

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  1. Me108 TJ+AZ Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl...QAAOSwew5a15Qz
  2. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl...4AAOSww1Fa15pU
  3. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  4. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  5. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  6. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  7. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  8. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  9. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  10. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  11. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  12. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  13. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  14. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  15. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  16. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  17. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  18. Ju88 Saint-Andre-de-l-Eure-Normandie https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftwaffe-Fl....c100005.m1851
  19. Macchi C.202 German markings https://www.ebay.de/itm/Jagdflugzeug....c100005.m1851

PMoz99 19th April 2018 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 250830)
  1. 1-Gruppe-Schlachtgeschwader-2-Tunesien-1942-Afrika cooks https://www.ebay.de/itm/die-Kuchenju...YAAOSweI9a1Pum

I'm OK with the cooks eyeing off the chicken, but I'm not so sure I'd be that happy if my unit cook was holding a dog!!
Peter


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