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Paul 2nd February 2005 11:30

Erich,

The article mentions T9445 as coded NA-O. A third Hudson AE595 coded NA-L made a crashlanding at the ammodepot at Rheine airfield. The crew, Ragan, Thomas and Gray was killed.
Two other Hudsons NA-P and NA-J returned safely to Tempsford.

Paul

Graham Boak 2nd February 2005 13:25

Possible reason for court-martial
 
This is only supposition, but it seems reasonable.

The SOE aircraft will have been briefed to fly specific routes (and times), to avoid night fighter action. In their turn, the nightfighters will have been allocated specific patrol areas. If the SOE aircraft strayed off course into one of these patrol areas, then it would become a target. Ideally the USAAF pilot would have had perfect aircraft recognition abilities at night, but life isn't ideal.

phil 1st August 2008 21:45

Re: RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow
 
i forgot to tell that Bomber command was not informed about SOE ops for that night coz it was a secret opperation.

Nick Beale 1st August 2008 22:54

Re: RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich (Post 1700)
according to the 422nd nfs logs there were 2 Do 217's claimed or were they both Hudsons?
E ~

I can't think what Do 217s would have been doing over Luxembourg in March 1945. AFAIK the only ones left in service were doing night photo-reconnaissance over the Eastern Front.

mhuxt 2nd August 2008 00:54

Re: RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow
 
There was an article about this incident some years ago in an issue of "After The Battle". Drove the folks at one of the Yahoo P-61 groups nearly round the twist.

edit - to judge by the index here:

http://www.afterthebattle.com/atb.pdf

it was in issue 119.

sit72300 4th August 2008 05:50

Re: RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow
 
A few points. Helfer was not court martialed. He was, in fact, awarded a DFC. His aircraft was MA-N 161 Sqdn letters were MA not NA.

Much of the story of Helfer and his crew, and the lead up to the final flight, may be found in a book by Gibb McCall - Flight Most Secret (there's one for sale on ebay as I write)

hanshauprich 7th August 2008 12:45

Re: RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow
 
Also on board are 3 Belgian Officers who killed in the crash. The target would be Leipzig-Dresden to drop the agents.

sit72300 7th August 2008 15:35

Re: RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow
 
This was the 3rd attempt to drop the 3 agents coded Benedict/Express and Leader

phil 10th August 2008 19:27

Re: RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow
 
dear readers,
I was the person who did the reasearch and made the article about the hudson crash at (baraque fraiture) (la tracee de lamormenil from helfer
I can declare that that night 3 hudsons came down.
,luxembourg, baraque fr, dochamps(dochamps )is still under investigation
because they had all secret missions Bomber Command was not informed about their actions neither the Americans knew about their ops.
enjoy reading
phil mertens

phil 10th August 2008 19:29

Re: RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow
 
the one from Baraque fraiture had as mission to drop secret agents behind enemy lines at remagen to blow up railroad connections,
phil


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