P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Gentlemen,
I´m searching for details about the loss of P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.FS, 370.FG. Mentioned a/c was lost at 14. december 1944.
Every further information is welcome.

Regards, Heuser

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Hello

This airplane is presumed crashed 8KM E of Kaub at a place named "Kammerburg"
P-38J-10-LO #42-67940 370FG 485FS “My Little Pig”7F-M MACR 10982
Shot down by a Me-109 probably Oblt Wolff Lothar 14./JG 4 who claim a P-38 at 14:06
Only claim of a P-38 that day
Pilot Bailed out but is still missing
2nd Lt Jarrell Jack M. Jr. (MIA)O-763211

Phil

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Just something more on this event

He was last seen hanging on a tree with his parachute

Phil

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Phil,
exactly the informations that I was looking for. I found Oblt. Wolff´s claim given as "bei Sauerthal (05 Ost S/QQ-6, 300m)". The "Kammerburg" is a location that belongs to Sauerthal. I am going to meet a local historian this weekend, maybe I could find informations about the fate of Lt. Jarrel.

Thank you very much,

Heuser

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Jack Jarrell Jr. was my mother's cousin. She, my uncle Joe Cohn, and Jack Jr. grew up together in Bishop, Texas and were very close. We would be interested in any further information discovered about what happened to Jack. Email: Jim@sailboatsToGo.com or phone 978 263 7598

The information we have conflicts a little bit with what is posted here as to the crash site. The Missing Air Crew Report includes an eyewitness report by another American pilot and he places the crash site just east of Wiesbaden. Kammerburg is west. I have posted pictures of Jack and of the papers we have, including this map, at
https://picasaweb.google.com/1030209.../JacKJarrellJr#

Perhaps the Kammerburg report came from the German side. I see that Lothar Wolff reported the location as "Rhein-Taunus" which is now a nature park north and west of Wiesbaden. http://www.naturpark-rhein-taunus.de...ichtskarte.php

What did the "local historian" say?

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Jim,

thank you very much for you reply.

I spent a lot of time in reserching the fate of Jack M. Jarrel since 2006; the crash location is known and correctly mentioned in MACR 10982 (Sauerthal). More via E-mail.

All the best

Alexander

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Hello,
Interesting that the KU Report ( J-2793) has 1500 hrs. 8 Km East of Caub, Airdistrict XIV. then penciled in Kajb 50deg 06 mins North 7 deg 46 mins East.
Then Disposition of pilot - UNKNOWN.
and penciled in - Pilot Escaped.
I have No idea if the penciled remarks were entered post WW2 or by the German's at the time of search.
The eyewitness report seems to suggest that he saw the pilot hanging from the chute that was caught up on a tree. But what he said was that he saw the chute hanging from a tree, no mention of pilot still being on the chute. At least thats how I read it.

Good hunting
Alex

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Alex,

the pilot was last seen hanging on a tree, which is mentioned in the MACR; but all the local eyewitnesses and members of nearby RAD-Camp (Reichsarbeitsdienstlager) mentioned that the chute was found with open belts; their search was not succesful.

According to his IDPF, Jarrell was able to escape, but all research about his final fate was given up in the years after WW II - because there was no starting point for a further research available.

Hope this helps

Alexander

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Hello Alexander,
This is the relevant bit from the short Statement made by 2Lt. Morrison.
"I saw Lt. Jarrell's chute open and followed him down from about 5,000 to 2,000. I saw him land in woods, his chute hanging up on the treetops".
This says nothing about the pilot still being in the chute.
Morrison is saying that he saw Jarrell land in woods and that he also saw Jarrels chute hung up in the treetops.
He does not say that he saw Jarrel still in the chute .
Perhaps you have more pages than those in Fold3.

However you have answered another question that I and others have wondered about, that being the fact that there is an IDPF Report even when the airman is still missing.
It seemed that an IDPF Report could only be made when the airmans remains were available for a report to be made of the cause of death and eventual internment either overseas or back in the USA.

All for now
Alex

Re: P-38 J, 42-67940, 485.fs
 

Gents,

Does anyone know the type of ME109 ( ME109G14/AS ? ) + markings which Oblt. Lothar Wolff 14/JG4 was flying on 14th December '44?
Thanks for the help.

Karl