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Ruediger Kaufmann 31st July 2013 19:33

Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Hi all,

we would inform you that we had found the crash place of well known Oberleutnant Otto Kittel in Latvia.

We had searched for it together since 2009 and my friend Sergej Azarenoks hat found the crash place.

Here is our report.

Short History about Otto Kittel: Oberleutnant Otto Kittel was born at 21. February 1917 in Kronsdorf. After fighting at the east front he was the fourth German Fighter ace with 267 areal victories. He was high decorated by Adolf Hitler himself with the “Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords”.
He was team leader of fighter unit 2. Staffel of I. /JG54 and flow a Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 with Marking “black1” and Serial Number 690282 at the Kurland battle in Latvia. At the 16. February 1945 he attacked together with his comrade Oberfähnrich Renner 14 Russian IL2 planes that made a low level attack on German positions. He shot down one of the IL2 but was shot by another and crashed at the battle line. He is/was still Missing In Action. The shot down IL2 made an emergency landing.

After a lot of private investigations and searching teams in the last 67 years our Team was the first one that found the crash place and gets the allowances of the “State of Latvia” for a search in this area.
From the „Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge e.V“: (German War Grave Commission) visited two experts at the crash place. They get Administrative from Germany and Poland.
Since 2009 the son of Otto Kittel was involved at our searchings and visited the crash side together with his wife at the recovery.

Investigations, searching and digging at the crash area:

After some talkings with old eyewitnesses and check up the official German position of the lost, it was 100% clear that the fist found parts are from the plane of Otto Kittel. We had found later parts of the Aircraft serial number too.
The hole area are today a smal wooden and swamp place with a lot of Mosquito’s and other small animals. The only way for a search and digging was at the summer time.
All of our team and some friends of Sergej were searching four days in the area with special metal detectors also for deep signals of steel and aluminum parts square feet by square feet. We had found all parts in the earth and identify them exactly for rebuild the situation of the crash in February 1945.

This is our investigation in fact of the found parts and there places:

After the shot down in about 150 Meters highness (450 feet) Otto Kittel must have open his safety belt and his harness of the parachute too!!! So he must be still alive before the crash and prepare an emergency landing!!!
The canopy parts so it was still closed! So he had not time to shot the canopy off by a special Focke Wulf system.
At the emergency landing his plane scattered for about 300 Meters in a not lucky downhill area. We know that there was a lot of snow at February 1945. The plane was totally broken in thousands of pieces at the first small trees and stopped at a high wooden place and exploded by broken of its fuel tanks. The radial 14 cylinder BMW 801 engine was cut and thrown about 70 Meters into the woods.
The broken parts of the 12mm steel protection pilot seat show that the pilot must be killed immediately after passing the first small trees and the broken off of the cockpit section of the plane.
We searched the area from the broken cockpit to the last parts of the broken engine steep by steep for any human remains. Some bones were found here, but was not identified as human at time. The hole area was a fighting zone too. The experts of the German War Grave Commission take it for further analyses but we think all together that it must be from Otto Kittel. The next weeks / months will show there analysis.

We had fund one Stainless steel parachute harness belt lock and a small piece of his flying glaces as personal items. The Stainless steel belt lock was not destroyed in any case, so he must have open it before the crash. Sergej gave it to the son as present. (see photo)

We had recovered a lot of Aircraft parts but please note that we would give no further special details about the crash place and the recovery.

Ruediger Kaufmann (Germany) and Sergej Azarenoks (Lativa)
31. July 2013

Here are some photos about:
Team
Crash area
Sergej together with the son and his wife
Stainless steel Parachute belt lock
Please excuse the bad quality of photo from the Fw190 Gas trottle

Rob Romero 1st August 2013 04:26

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Fantastic find and research. Thanks you so much for resolving this aviation mystery.

Thanks!

Nokose 1st August 2013 05:20

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Ruediger and Sergej, Outstanding job! His son can have some closure as soon as the war grave commission does confirmation.

gilles collaveri 1st August 2013 07:51

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Ruediger and Sergej,

congratulations for the professionalism of your job;

It is great that you managed your work with all authorizations (that is not easy to obtain) and in a spirit of memory (and not business!)

A couple of questions :

- will these parts be shown in a museum ?
- Could you show us parts with the WNr ? that must be moving;

This must have kept busy for years and we can say you did an outstanding job.

GC

Peter Kassak 1st August 2013 08:03

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
congratulations, nice find and another puzzle of history is complete...

Adriano Baumgartner 1st August 2013 22:46

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FANTASTIC JOB...well worth a book of Archeological and Military History!
By the way...Kittel deserve a full biography!!
CONGRATULATIONS to your team!...and YES, keep us informed of new information/pictures.
Really AMAZING....67 years researching....you deserve it!
Adriano Baumgartner

Nick Hector 1st August 2013 23:49

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Looking at the dense growth, it's no wonder he was missing for so long.

Frank Olynyk 2nd August 2013 01:57

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Adriano,

Franz Kurowski published one in 2007. Oberleutnant Otto Kittel: Der erfolgreichste Jagdflieger des Jagdgeschwaders 54, published by Flechsig. 158 pages. ISBN 978-3-88189-733-4. I have not attempted to read it, and I have never heard great things about the books Kurowski has produced. I would love to see a biography from a publisher like 296.

Enjoy!

Frank.

Adriano Baumgartner 2nd August 2013 12:28

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Dear Frank,

I did not know about that "biography" of Kittel...that's good news indeed! Maybe one day it will be edited in English too…

I do agreed with you that some well known historians SOME TIMES do not write with their heart, rather with economical interests, etc…taking notes from previous published works, etc…I have heard from RAF veterans, from instance, that some pictures they have “loaned” were never returned by some of those well known historians…Have heard too, by another historian that he still was not paid by the Editors, 7 or more years after they published his book…After some experiences, as a “sprog”/apprentice freelancer historian by hobby and passion” me too I learned that when you do pass information to some Editors in the UK, they do grab it and think in revenues for their own benefit…Just for an example…from my sample to one of those well known UK Houses, they managed to contact 2 veterans and edit their own memories…thanks to the tip and ADDRESSES that was on letters I had received from the veterans themselves (that were on my book)…I am happy for the vets, who had their own stories published/edited…but it was not a fair play by the Editors.

I do write for passion (not for living) and up to now, my only edited work was an article on a Brazilian magazine, about one of our country men that flew for the RAF in WW2. ALL revenues were donated to charity and it is my wish that some day we will manage to have a certain amount or percentage from those WW2 books donated to charity…How can I appropriate myself from histories that are not mine to earn money for me? NO, Frank…not me, do you see!? If one day I do manage to edit my works…the revenues will be fully donated to charity.

We, who had access to the veterans, we are indeed privileged men…their friendship is the most valuable gift we could have earned…BUT…this is my personal and maybe utopian thoughts.

There are dozens of well known flyers from both sides that do deserve a full biography…the list is huge and, when I saw that the son of Kittel was present at the site…I first thought of a marvelous biography, with full details of his career…the kind of book that we, and most of members on this forum would be pleased to read.

Do hope you will keep your Professional and admirable work on the USAF Fighter Aces. There are indeed some Historians styles and personalities that we (readers and sprog writers) do admire…Wish you and yours a nice weekend, in peace and health.

Yours must sincerely,
Adriano Silva Baumgartner (a sprog – yet to be historian with a huge passion for books and Military History)

Jan Bobek 19th August 2013 23:43

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This is really great find.
If I remember well, I have reference to German ground unit that found Kittel´s body and buried him.

Old Charly 30th January 2016 22:33

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Hello,

I'm interested to know your conclusions two years and half after the excavations. Have you found new evidence that it was Kittel's Focke Wulf ?

Thank you.

O.C.

Evgeny Velichko 17th March 2017 11:10

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Gentlemen, looking into Soviet documents, I must say that Otto Kittel was shot down in combat with 4 (not 14 !) Il-2 of 502 shap, 214shad of 15VA, flown by lt. V.P.Komendat.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A...B2%D0%B8%D1%87
For this aircombat, he was awarded with Order of Alexander Nevsky.

Evgeny Velichko 19th July 2017 02:51

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Gentlemen:

Renner's report give us two locations:

- 6 km SE Djukste
- 25 ost 37187, wich is SW Djukste.

Is it known, what location is correct?

Evgeny Velichko 15th October 2017 21:53

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Otto Kittel article.

http://warspot.ru/10237-tma-opustila...andskim-kotlom

It was seriously cutted, because was too large for WarSpot format.
But still is a huge.

For all who are interested, I have a full variant.
During research, I found, that of all Kittel's victories, that I looked in, 95% of them are confirmed by soviet loss records.

Dan History 16th October 2017 00:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 241182)
Otto Kittel article.

An amazing piece of work, Evgeny, deserving of a separate thread at the least! May I ask how you went about locating the sources that you used to write this article? I will write another reply once I have read your piece thoroughly.

I have sent you a private message.

Regards,

Dan

PMoz99 16th October 2017 02:09

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Excellent article Evgeny! Thank you for sharing. I would like very much to see the full version.....
Thanks
Peter

knusel 18th November 2017 20:38

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Good afternoon Gentlemen,

was the Il-2 shot down on Kittel's last combat confirmed as his last (267th) kill or was his 267th one of his earlier claims ?

Michael

Nick Hector 18th November 2017 22:20

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knusel (Post 242954)
Good afternoon Gentlemen,

was the Il-2 shot down on Kittel's last combat confirmed as his last (267th) kill or was his 267th one of his earlier claims ?

Michael

Sensible question, sensible answer:

As discussed elsewhere on the forum:
(http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...=24636&page=5; http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=34771)

His last victory was from 806 ShAP, 206 ShAD. It is known to have made an emergency landing. (Kittel was against 190 ShAP and (more likely) 502 ShAP, 214ShAD of 15VA when he was KIA two days later though)

knusel 19th November 2017 11:26

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These links do not answer my question.

Was the Il-2 that was brought down on Kittel's last flight part of his official tally of 267 kills or is it a 268th claim that was not confirmed due to the demise of Kittel ?

Michael

Evgeny Velichko 19th November 2017 12:30

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Nick:
-There is no evidence about Kittle's combats / claims on 14 february. Also, on 14 february 1945 weather was such bad that neither VVS nor Luftwaffe flew combat missions.

-On 16 february 45, Kittel fought against 502 ShAP and was killed. Il-2, that was shot down (by Renner's report), was only damaged, and with wounded gunner, could fly back to airfield and land.

Nick Hector 19th November 2017 13:43

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knusel (Post 242977)
These links do not answer my question.

Was the Il-2 that was brought down on Kittel's last flight part of his official tally of 267 kills or is it a 268th claim that was not confirmed due to the demise of Kittel ?

Michael

Where does it say he got one on his last flight? Source please....

Nick Hector 19th November 2017 13:45

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 242981)
Nick:
-There is no evidence about Kittle's combats / claims on 14 february. Also, on 14 february 1945 weather was such bad that neither VVS nor Luftwaffe flew combat missions.

-On 16 february 45, Kittel fought against 502 ShAP and was killed. Il-2, that was shot down (by Renner's report), was only damaged, and with wounded gunner, could fly back to airfield and land.

Cheers Evgeny,

So I wonder why we have a notation for 14 February, of:
806 ShAP, 206 ShAD. Known to have made an emergency landing

Hope your birthday was a good one too by the way

Leo Etgen 19th November 2017 16:52

Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Hi guys

I think that the confusion arises over the fact that I have seen some statements that he was killed on 14 February 1945 when we now know that this happened on 16 February 1945. I believe that Die Ritterkreuzträger Der Luftwaffe 1939-1945 by Obermaier might be the source of this discrepancy. Apparently, Kittel attacked one of the Il-2 Sturmovik ground-attack aircraft during his last engagement and I believe this to be the last one credited to him (although now we know it was only damaged).

http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Jagdflie...ittel_flug.jpg

Any comments or corrections will be appreciated!

Horrido!

Leo

Nick Beale 19th November 2017 17:54

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo Etgen (Post 242993)
Hi guys

I think that the confusion arises over the fact that I have seen some statements that he was killed on 14 February 1945 when we now know that this happened on 16 February 1945. I believe that Die Ritterkreuzträger Der Luftwaffe 1939-1945 by Obermaier might be the source of this discrepancy.

Leo

My copy (2nd revised edition) gives 16 February as the date of his death.

Nick Hector 19th November 2017 21:46

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Thanks Leo and "other Nick" the whole thing makes so much more sense now that the discrepancy is pointed out and it's good to see that it has been corrected

knusel 20th November 2017 15:29

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Good afternoon Gentlemen,

by courtesy of Matti Salonen I learned that indeed Kittel died on 16Feb.
The 14Feb must be a mistake unless he survived his crash for two days...

Now I want to compile a full list of his claims and wonder
if the Il-2 on his last flight was acknowledged as his kill #267
or if he has 265 confirmed claims with the last being claimed on 19No44 plus 2 unconfirmed on 30Jun41.

What do you think ?

Michael

Evgeny Velichko 20th November 2017 19:15

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Knusel: I have all of his 264 known victories.
I am not aware about any unconfirmed victories. Even if they are exist, they are still unconfirmed.

Last of Kittel's known victories is on 19.11.1944. After that, he went to recieve Schwerten and for a month furlough. It is believed he came back to front in late january or early february. I believe, due to general fuel shortage and extremly bad weather in Kurland in first half of february, he didnt flew much combat missions.
He was killed on 16 february, and last his 3 victories he might claim during his last two-three weeks in january-february 1945.

Evgeny Velichko 20th November 2017 19:17

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo Etgen (Post 242993)
Hi guys
Apparently, Kittel attacked one of the Il-2 Sturmovik ground-attack aircraft during his last engagement and I believe this to be the last one credited to him (although now we know it was only damaged).

http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Jagdflie...ittel_flug.jpg

Any comments or corrections will be appreciated!

Leo, I suggest to read my article carefully, especially last part. His last combat mission is well covered in BOTH german and soviet reports and documents, and BOTH side documents fith each other almost 100%! Fight and crashplace, altitude, number of Fw190's, number of Il-2's e.t.c.

knusel 20th November 2017 19:46

Re: Crash place of Otto Kittel found
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 243083)
Knusel: I have all of his 264 known victories.
I am not aware about any unconfirmed victories. Even if they are exist, they are still unconfirmed.

Last of Kittel's known victories is on 19.11.1944. After that, he went to recieve Schwerten and for a month furlough. It is believed he came back to front in late january or early february. I believe, due to general fuel shortage and extremly bad weather in Kurland in first half of february, he didnt flew much combat missions.
He was killed on 16 february, and last his 3 victories he might claim during his last two-three weeks in january-february 1945.

Good evening Evgeny,

I have gathered the following 265 confirmed claims:

# 1 24.06.1941 SB-2
# 2 24.06.1941 SB-2
# 3 06.07.1941 SB-2
# 4 18.08.1941 MiG-1
# 5 19.08.1941 DB-3
# 6 24.08.1941 DB-3
# 7 08.09.1941 R-5
# 8 08.09.1941 I-153
# 9 12.09.1941 I-153
# 10 21.09.1941 MiG-1
# 11 13.10.1941 MiG-1
# 12 13.12.1941 DB-3
# 13 27.02.1942 I-16
# 14 20.03.1942 P-40
# 15 20.03.1942 P-40
# 16 14.05.1942 SB-2
# 17 14.05.1942 SB-2
# 18 23.08.1942 Il-2
# 19 07.09.1942 Il-2
# 20 23.09.1942 I-16
# 21 22.10.1942 Il-2
# 22 12.01.1943 Yak-1
# 23 12.01.1943 Il-2
# 24 12.01.1943 U-2
# 25 12.01.1943 Il-2
# 26 12.01.1943 I-153
# 27 12.01.1943 Il-2
# 28 14.01.1943 La-5
# 29 16.01.1943 Il-2
# 30 24.01.1943 La-5
# 31 26.01.1943 Il-2
# 32 11.02.1943 Il-2
# 33 14.02.1943 Il-2
# 34 14.02.1943 Il-2
# 35 15.02.1943 Il-2
# 36 19.02.1943 LaGG-3
# 37 19.02.1943 La-5
# 38 19.02.1943 Yak-7
# 39 19.02.1943 Pe-2
# 40 21.02.1943 I-16
# 41 07.03.1943 LaGG-3
# 42 07.03.1943 LaGG-3
# 43 10.03.1943 LaGG-3
# 44 10.03.1943 MiG-3
# 45 14.03.1943 LaGG-3
# 46 14.03.1943 LaGG-3
# 47 15.03.1943 MiG-3
# 48 01.04.1943 Il-2
# 49 01.04.1943 Il-2
# 50 11.06.1943 La-5
# 51 18.06.1943 P-40
# 52 22.06.1943 Il-2
# 53 22.06.1943 LaGG-3
# 54 24.06.1943 P-40
# 55 24.06.1943 P-40
# 56 05.07.1943 La-5
# 57 05.07.1943 LaGG-3
# 58 05.07.1943 Il-2
# 59 05.07.1943 Il-2
# 60 07.07.1943 P-40
# 61 07.07.1943 P-39
# 62 07.07.1943 P-40
# 63 09.07.1943 Il-2
# 64 09.07.1943 Il-2
# 65 10.07.1943 LaGG-3
# 66 10.07.1943 LaGG-3
# 67 13.07.1943 Il-2
# 68 13.07.1943 Il-2
# 69 13.07.1943 Il-2
# 70 13.07.1943 Il-2
# 71 16.07.1943 La-5
# 72 16.07.1943 La-5
# 73 16.07.1943 La-5
# 74 17.07.1943 La-5
# 75 17.07.1943 Yak-9
# 76 20.07.1943 LaGG-3
# 77 20.07.1943 Yak-9
# 78 27.07.1943 Il-2
# 79 28.07.1943 Il-2
# 80 28.07.1943 Il-2
# 81 01.08.1943 Yak-9
# 82 02.08.1943 LaGG-3
# 83 02.08.1943 La-5
# 84 02.08.1943 LaGG-3
# 85 03.08.1943 P-39
# 86 03.08.1943 La-5
# 87 04.08.1943 LaGG-3
# 88 04.08.1943 Il-2
# 89 04.08.1943 Il-2
# 90 04.08.1943 Il-2
# 91 04.08.1943 LaGG-3
# 92 04.08.1943 LaGG-3
# 93 04.08.1943 La-5
# 94 05.08.1943 LaGG-3
# 95 07.09.1943 LaGG-3
# 96 07.09.1943 Yak-9
# 97 10.09.1943 P-40
# 98 11.09.1943 LaGG-3
# 99 12.09.1943 LaGG-3
# 100 14.09.1943 Yak-9
# 101 14.09.1943 La-5
# 102 14.09.1943 LaGG-3
# 103 15.09.1943 Il-2
# 104 15.09.1943 Il-2
# 105 30.09.1943 Il-2
# 106 05.10.1943 Yak-9
# 107 05.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 108 11.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 109 12.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 110 12.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 111 12.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 112 13.10.1943 R-5
# 113 14.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 114 14.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 115 15.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 116 15.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 117 15.10.1943 Il-2
# 118 15.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 119 17.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 120 19.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 121 22.10.1943 La-5
# 122 23.10.1943 La-5
# 123 28.10.1943 LaGG-3
# 124 05.11.1943 Il-2
# 125 05.11.1943 Il-2
# 126 05.11.1943 LaGG-3
# 127 06.11.1943 Il-2
# 128 05.03.1944 La-5
# 129 06.03.1944 La-5
# 130 07.03.1944 Il-2
# 131 07.03.1944 Yak-1
# 132 08.03.1944 La-5
# 133 08.03.1944 La-5
# 134 19.03.1944 Yak-1
# 135 19.03.1944 Yak-9
# 136 26.03.1944 R-5
# 137 26.03.1944 R-5
# 138 26.03.1944 Yak-9
# 139 28.03.1944 Yak-9
# 140 30.03.1944 Pe-2
# 141 30.03.1944 La-5
# 142 30.03.1944 La-5
# 143 01.04.1944 Yak-9
# 144 02.04.1944 La-5
# 145 02.04.1944 La-5
# 146 02.04.1944 Pe-2
# 147 02.04.1944 Pe-2
# 148 04.04.1944 Il-2
# 149 04.04.1944 Il-2
# 150 04.04.1944 LaGG-3
# 151 04.04.1944 LaGG-3
# 152 04.04.1944 La-5
# 153 24.04.1944 Yak-9
# 154 24.04.1944 La-5
# 155 26.05.1944 La-5
# 156 30.05.1944 Pe-2
# 157 30.05.1944 La-5
# 158 02.06.1944 LaGG-3
# 159 05.06.1944 Yak-9
# 160 28.06.1944 Il-2
# 161 28.06.1944 P-39
# 162 28.06.1944 Il-2
# 163 28.06.1944 P-39
# 164 28.06.1944 Il-2
# 165 29.06.1944 P-39
# 166 30.06.1944 P-39
# 167 30.06.1944 Yak-9
# 168 30.06.1944 Il-2
# 169 30.06.1944 Il-2
# 170 01.07.1944 P-39
# 171 02.07.1944 P-39
# 172 03.07.1944 P-39
# 173 03.07.1944 Il-2
# 174 04.07.1944 Il-2
# 175 04.07.1944 P-39
# 176 10.07.1944 P-39
# 177 16.07.1944 P-39
# 178 16.07.1944 Il-2
# 179 18.07.1944 Yak-9
# 180 18.07.1944 Yak-9
# 181 21.07.1944 Il-2
# 182 21.07.1944 Yak-9
# 183 21.07.1944 Yak-9
# 184 22.07.1944 Il-2
# 185 22.07.1944 Il-2
# 186 22.07.1944 Il-2
# 187 24.07.1944 Pe-2
# 188 24.07.1944 Pe-2
# 189 29.07.1944 Il-2
# 190 29.07.1944 Il-2
# 191 01.08.1944 Yak-9
# 192 01.08.1944 Yak-9
# 193 01.08.1944 Yak-9
# 194 07.08.1944 Yak-9
# 195 15.08.1944 Yak-9
# 196 15.08.1944 Yak-9
# 197 15.08.1944 Il-2
# 198 17.08.1944 Pe-2
# 199 25.08.1944 P-39
# 200 26.08.1944 Yak-9
# 201 26.08.1944 La-5
# 202 27.08.1944 Il-2
# 203 28.08.1944 Yak-9
# 204 28.08.1944 Yak-9
# 205 28.08.1944 Yak-9
# 206 31.08.1944 Il-2
# 207 31.08.1944 Il-2
# 208 31.08.1944 Il-2
# 209 14.09.1944 Yak-9
# 210 14.09.1944 Yak-9
# 211 14.09.1944 Il-2
# 212 14.09.1944 Il-2
# 213 14.09.1944 Il-2
# 214 14.09.1944 Yak-9
# 215 15.09.1944 Il-2
# 216 15.09.1944 Il-2
# 217 16.09.1944 Il-2
# 218 17.09.1944 Pe-2
# 219 17.09.1944 P-39
# 220 17.09.1944 Pe-2
# 221 20.09.1944 Yak-9
# 222 20.09.1944 Yak-9
# 223 22.09.1944 La-5
# 224 28.09.1944 Pe-2
# 225 28.09.1944 Pe-2
# 226 28.09.1944 Pe-2
# 227 28.09.1944 Yak-9
# 228 30.09.1944 Yak-9
# 229 30.09.1944 Il-2
# 230 30.09.1944 Il-2
# 231 07.10.1944 Yak-9
# 232 09.10.1944 Il-2
# 233 09.10.1944 Il-2
# 234 09.10.1944 Il-2
# 235 09.10.1944 Il-2
# 236 09.10.1944 Il-2
# 237 10.10.1944 La-5
# 238 10.10.1944 Il-2
# 239 10.10.1944 Il-2
# 240 14.10.1944 La-5
# 241 16.10.1944 La-5
# 242 16.10.1944 Il-2
# 243 16.10.1944 Il-2
# 244 16.10.1944 Il-2
# 245 17.10.1944 La-5
# 246 18.10.1944 Il-2
# 247 18.10.1944 Il-2
# 248 22.10.1944 Yak-3
# 249 27.10.1944 Yak-9
# 250 27.10.1944 Yak-9
# 251 27.10.1944 Il-2
# 252 27.10.1944 Pe-2
# 253 27.10.1944 Pe-2
# 254 27.10.1944 Il-2
# 255 27.10.1944 Il-2
# 256 29.10.1944 Il-2
# 257 29.10.1944 Il-2
# 258 29.10.1944 Il-2
# 259 29.10.1944 Il-2
# 260 29.10.1944 Il-2
# 261 29.10.1944 Il-2
# 262 30.10.1944 Il-2
# 263 30.10.1944 Il-2
# 264 30.10.1944 Il-2
# 265 19.11.1944 La-5


plus 2 unconfirmed Il2's on 30.06.1941 and the Il-2 on 16.02.1945.
The former plus his 265 confirmed might add up to his widespread total of 267 while the latter wasn't counted to his total, was it ?
We need some bulletin from the Schwerter award that reveals if his total was 267 after 19Nov and before his last flight.

Have a nice evening,

Michael


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