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Again, another Alfred Price photo. Obviously KG 2 but no further details

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Chris, unable to ID those men or the machine.
The picture is amazing.

Please do give me a clue of why the two airmen on the right side do have some kind of "Flap" in front of their Fliegerkombination? What was that? And do you identify the type of Kombi (fur Winter)?

OBS: Maybe Gerda can give a glimpse to the wife or maybe girlfriend of one of the airmen (pilot or Beobachter)...or just a nickname...

A.

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Hi,

2./KG2. I see also part of squadron emblem (white teeth).

Robert

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The flight suit "flaps" are caused by the zipper not being pulled up all of the way.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BR64KK/a-s...own-BR64KK.jpg

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REVI16,

Thank you so much for clarifying this...I was looking at the guy on the left and wondering why his Fliegerkombination did have this kind of triangle in the front...now I, with your explanation I can see this is not a triangle I was looking at, but the flap unzippered to the end!!! So, not some kind of experimental add to the suit! Thanks for that....

Nevertheless, it is a most beautiful picture...Pitty I had not seen it before on any of ALFRED PRICE's books. Maybe someone has...

A.

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Hello Chris,

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=638

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=637

I have not seen that picture before.

I do not know if the two pictures above are of any help.

The first is from Karl Ries, Dora Kurfürst und rote 13, (1964), p. 135 with the caption:

"In den ersten Monaten des Rußlandfeldzuges fliegt die I.KG 2 immer noch die Do 17Z."

The second is from Karl Ries, Dora Kurfürst und rote 13, Band 2, (1964), p. 85 with the caption:

"Tarnung der Untersteiten für Nachtangriffe zeigt diese Do 17 Z-3. In die Seitenfenster ist ein zusätzliches MG 15 eingebaut. Die Kopfbedeckungender Besatzung konnten sich beider Luftwaffe nicht durchsetzen."

best regards,

Jim

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JIM,

On the first Picture you posted, what took my attention are the two rings onto the spinner of the machine, possibly denoting it belongs to someone special, maybe a Staffelkapitân or either the Gruppenkommandeur. Sadly the image is blured or shaken...

The second Picture do give us a "possible standard", during an unknown frame of time, of painting the "wifes or girl friends' names onto the fuselage". This is the second machine with a female name painted, like that one from Chris...so, maybe at one time (before or at the beginning of the war) this was "nicht Verbotten".

Very interesting aspects here...maybe further pictures arise to verify the practice and what was the motivation behind this kind of standard.

Nice thread (Chris) by the way and congratulations for a good memory Jim!

A.

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Hello Adriano!

In the book "Der Luftkrieg in Europa-Die Einsätze des Kampfgeschwaders 2
gegen Polen,Frankreich,England, auf dem Balkan und in Russland",
ISBN 3-86047-591-6, Bechtermünz Verlag Augsburg,
you will find pictures from a "Brunhilde" and from a "Gretel". Looks like
it was use at 2./KG 2 to name their Do 17 Z by a girlfriend of a crewman.


Herzliche Grüsse aus Oberschwaben,

Wolfgang

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The flight suit is a "Einteiliger Fliegerschutzanzug Winter/See KW s/33 or
KW s/34". It was produced out of calf leather, later out of sheep or lamb leather. The leather was not coloured. The zippos were difficult to handle
with cold and wet fingers and with gloves. The "Höhenatemmaske" is
called 10-67, and was mainly produced by the Auergesellschaft AG at Oranienburg and the Drägerwerke at Lübeck.

My source:"Luftwaffe 1939-1945, Luftstreitkräfte, Bodentruppen und Felddivisionen" ISBN 978-3-939908-63-0

Herzliche Grüsse aus Oberschwaben,

Wolfgang

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Better photo-this one has the name Peter but in a different style to the others