Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

Hey guys,

I am looking for information on a Do217 that was shot down over the UK.

Supposedly shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942.

Pilot was an Oberfeldwebel Anton Howick(?).

Last name does not seem German. Could be an error, and that is the crash location.

Thoughts?

TIA

Mike

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

144 Sqn was on Hampdens in 1942?

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

I have gone through my list of Do 217 losses and put in the name Anton and Howick-nothing matches

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

This will have been a 141 Squadron Beaufighter night kill (i.e. greatest likelihood). You need a date, or even a month, and ideally some location information to get a better fix.
Again on probabilities, John Braham would be a distinctly likely 141 Sqn candidate for the victor. Suggest check out the Wikipedia page on him which has a fairly detailed chronicle of his aerial victories. (No Antons listed there that are associated with Do 217s but its a start.)
PS And then - if the effort is justified - you could work through the 141 Sqn 1942 ORBs for possible mentions of likely kill crash sites. (These are still free to download from UK NA providing you log in.) Then of course there are also the Combat Reports ...

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

Braham did not come to 141 Sqn until Dec 42 and his first claim for a 217 was not until 20-21 Jan 43. My incomplete listing of claims for 141 Sqn show claims in February and June 1942 but no Ofw Anton Howick

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

Thanks, Chris. So Braham is out.
I took a quick look through Nigel Parker but the only Do 217 pilot with Anton in his name that I spotted was WNr. 4314, U5+KT lost 3-Jan-43. However, it was AA that did for him.
Parker gives the crash site as Out Newton but right by that village lie Holmpton and Hollym. Either might have become corrupted. Probably reaching for straws now ...

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

Thanks guys...

I will try to see if there is any more info, or some names getting crossed.

Mike

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

And in case any of these might help, the basic details for this Anton are:

Do 217 E-4, WNr. 4314 (from Dornier-Wismar)
U5 + KT of 9./KG 2,
Target: Hull docks (4 x SC 250 + incendiaries) Lost 100% ni 03./04.01.1943 with
(FF) Uffz Anton Ries PoW
(BO) Ogfr Horst Küster PoW
(BF) Uffz Arno Salz PoW
(BM) Uffz Alfred Muschiol PoW

References are Balke:KG2 Band II, Table p.448 & with even more detail Nigel Parker: Lw Crash Archive Vol 10 p.1149

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

Thanks for the info.

My feeling is the "Howick" is maybe the loss area (and the person giving me the info got confused). The only thing is Howick is pretty far from Hull. :(

Did it say where that specific Do217 went down?

Re: Do217 Loss info needed - shot down by 144 Squadron in 1942
 

That crash site locations piece was in post #6 above, Mike.
Parker gives it as Out Newton right by Spurn Head, but very nearby lie the villages of Holmpton and Hollym. It is just possible that either might have become corrupted to Howick - if you squint and really strain.